Korodic Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I just thougt of something. The choice in who we side with in the civil war was specially made for you to choose who you think best would defend against the thalmore. I can see this being a huge impact on future DLC which I can say seems very likely. There are large hints towards the Thalmore's undeniable invasion plan. Skyrim did try to add large fights with the forts scattered across the land, what are the odds of having a large scale fight with the thalmore on a battlefield? Just feels as though this is DLC worthy story-progressing material. Personally, I'd love to see some amazing creativity like shivering isles had :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LobselVith66 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 It might have an impact on the DLC, and I have two different characters who have, respectively, chosen to side with the Legion and the Stormcloaks, so I'm curious to see if the experience will be different for the two protagonists. Aside from the dichotomy between the two sides, I'd love to see the return of the Psijic Order for my Tribunal mage. In the long run, I imagine something else could happen to make the matter moot to avoid contradicting the choice between the Legion and the Stormcloaks: possibly the Falmer invading the whole of Skyrim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesapien Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 What's this all about? I never picked a side for any quests involving Imperials vs Stormcloaks and never thought of the Thalmor as the bad guys. One of my characters is a high elf, too.Do I want to know? I'm just curious about the part involving big battles. Am I missing out on something epic? I'll do it, pick a side, if it means taking part in a battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LobselVith66 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 What's this all about? I never picked a side for any quests involving Imperials vs Stormcloaks and never thought of the Thalmor as the bad guys. One of my characters is a high elf, too. I have two characters who have, respectively, participated for the Legion and the Stormcloaks. My Tribunal Dunmer mage who was chosen by the Psijic Order, and my Dark Brotherhood assassin who was chosen by Sithis and the Night Mother. I think it's good that the narrative doesn't make out the Legion or the Stormcloaks to be villains, illustrates that the two factions have flaws, and gives reasons for siding with either one. Given my disappointment with Dragon Age II and Gaider's handling of the schism between mages and templars, I think that Skyrim handles the dichotomy between two factions much more intelligently. Well, the Thalmor apparently want to undo all of reality, so neither protagonist of mine has been too keen on the Thalmor. Do I want to know? I'm just curious about the part involving big battles. Am I missing out on something epic? I'll do it, pick a side, if it means taking part in a battle. Your protagonist will participate in battles if you pick a side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abaris Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I only played the Imperial side and wanted to try Stormcloaks with another character. But since the legion quests and outcome were so lame, I decided against taking part in the Civil War. As far as the game lets me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesapien Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 What's this all about? I never picked a side for any quests involving Imperials vs Stormcloaks and never thought of the Thalmor as the bad guys. One of my characters is a high elf, too. I have two characters who have, respectively, participated for the Legion and the Stormcloaks. My Tribunal Dunmer mage who was chosen by the Psijic Order, and my Dark Brotherhood assassin who was chosen by Sithis and the Night Mother. I think it's good that the narrative doesn't make out the Legion or the Stormcloaks to be villains, illustrates that the two factions have flaws, and gives reasons for siding with either one. Given my disappointment with Dragon Age II and Gaider's handling of the schism between mages and templars, I think that Skyrim handles the dichotomy between two factions much more intelligently. Well, the Thalmor apparently want to undo all of reality, so neither protagonist of mine has been too keen on the Thalmor. Do I want to know? I'm just curious about the part involving big battles. Am I missing out on something epic? I'll do it, pick a side, if it means taking part in a battle. Your protagonist will participate in battles if you pick a side. I'm doing it! Just started the Imperial quests with a new Imperial "race" character. Yeah, the Thalmor goal seems vague to me. They see themselves as something like demigods who have lost control to humans, right? They want to become something more like gods again, yes? But do they want a heaven on Earth sort of thing or no Earth at all? If no Earth, why want to rule it? They don't really want to end the world because that would be suicide, no? So I can't be against them unless I understand what I'm against. And one of my characters, a high elf, might just want to join them. You say they want to undue all of reality? Sure they don't mean change reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LobselVith66 Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I'm doing it! Just started the Imperial quests with a new Imperial "race" character. Yeah, the Thalmor goal seems vague to me. They see themselves as something like demigods who have lost control to humans, right? They want to become something more like gods again, yes? But do they want a heaven on Earth sort of thing or no Earth at all? If no Earth, why want to rule it? They don't really want to end the world because that would be suicide, no? So I can't be against them unless I understand what I'm against. And one of my characters, a high elf, might just want to join them. You say they want to undue all of reality? Sure they don't mean change reality? The Thalmor see themselves as the children of the et'Ada, and apparently want to regain the power that was lost when the et'Ada helped create Mundus with Lorkhan. According to the Thalmor beliefs when it comes to the creation of Mundus, "But this was a trick. As Lorkhan knew, this world contained more limitations than not and was therefore hardly a thing of Anu at all. Mundus was the House of Sithis. As their aspects began to die off, many of the et'Ada vanished completely. Some escaped, like Magnus, and that is why there are no limitations to magic. Others, like Y'ffre, transformed themselves into the Ehlnofey, the Earthbones, so that the whole world might not die. Some had to marry and make children just to last. Each generation was weaker than the last, and soon there were Aldmer. Darkness caved in. Lorkhan made armies out of the weakest souls and named them Men, and they brought Sithis into every quarter." The Thalmor seem to want to regain the power of the et'Ada, prior to the creation of Mundus, by undoing reality, because it was creating Mundus that limited the et'Ada. This is referenced. "Some Aedra were disappointed and bitter in their loss, and angry with Shezarr, and with all creation, for they felt Shezarr had lied and tricked them. These Aedra, the Gods of the Aldmer, led by Auri-El, were disgusted by their enfeebled selves, and by what they had created. 'Everything is spoiled, for now, and for all time, and the most we can do is teach the Elven Races to suffer nobly, with dignity, and chastise ourselves for our folly, and avenge ourselves upon Shezarr and his allies.' Thus are the Gods of the Elves dark and brooding, and thus are the Elves ever dissatisfied with mortality, and always proud and stoic despite the harshness of this cruel and indifferent world." In contrast, not all the Aedra felt the same way. "Other Aedra looked upon creation, and were well pleased. These Aedra, the Gods of Men and Beast Folk, led by Akatosh, praised and cherished their wards, the Mortal Races. 'We have suffered, and are diminished, for all time, but the mortal world we have made is glorious, filling our hearts and spirits with hope. Let us teach the Mortal Races to live well, to cherish beauty and honor, and to love one another as we love them.' Thus are the Gods of Men tender and patient, and thus are Men and Beast Folk great in heart for joy or suffering, and ambitious for greater wisdom and a better world." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ufw7 Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I have a problem :P I really can't chose. At some moments i think that the imperials are better because ... But another moment i think, no the strormcloacks are better because ... And that keeps going on. Is there someone who can give me one good reason to join ..... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LobselVith66 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I have a problem :P I really can't chose. At some moments i think that the imperials are better because ... But another moment i think, no the strormcloacks are better because ... And that keeps going on. Is there someone who can give me one good reason to join ..... ? Why not have two characters for both choices? Given how many different ways you can solve certain quests (like the Daedric quests), the two characters could make different choices as well. That's pretty much what I did - I have a character who sided with the Stormcloaks, and another who sided with the Legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korodic Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 It might have an impact on the DLC, and I have two different characters who have, respectively, chosen to side with the Legion and the Stormcloaks, so I'm curious to see if the experience will be different for the two protagonists. Aside from the dichotomy between the two sides, I'd love to see the return of the Psijic Order for my Tribunal mage. In the long run, I imagine something else could happen to make the matter moot to avoid contradicting the choice between the Legion and the Stormcloaks: possibly the Falmer invading the whole of Skyrim. I'd love to see it all come together with an epic battle with a war waged against the aldmeri dominion. Or maybe even the chance to be a double agent w/ the aldmeri dominion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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