Jarl and High King

[GoodfellowGoodspring]

So do i get to have any significant power within the game? I understand how a Jarl is selected by the clans in the city they are in and is a sacred tradition etc, but surely as a bloody DRAGONBORN and somebody who will go on to kill many dragons and save Skyrim i should get the right to become a Jarl from having a family then becoming High King?

 

I was disappointed in Oblivion when i couldn't become part of the Elder council and have some sort of authority instead of just having a near empty room with a high elf in :(

 

Does anybody get bored of just being yet another citizen even after saving the world?! I haven't completed the game but i have a feeling its the same old scenario right?

[jdsnics]

So do i get to have any significant power within the game? I understand how a Jarl is selected by the clans in the city they are in and is a sacred tradition etc, but surely as a bloody DRAGONBORN and somebody who will go on to kill many dragons and save Skyrim i should get the right to become a Jarl from having a family then becoming High King?

 

I was disappointed in Oblivion when i couldn't become part of the Elder council and have some sort of authority instead of just having a near empty room with a high elf in :(

 

Does anybody get bored of just being yet another citizen even after saving the world?! I haven't completed the game but i have a feeling its the same old scenario right?

 

 

I think I'm with you on this one.

[AtlasS]

I think I'm with you on this one.

 

I however am not. if there was one person in the world who could destroy dragons and prevent each one coming back, and dragons had spread far and wide across the the PLANET and had even started breeding, would you want to put that lone hero in a management position?

1) if he actually stays and does his duty then the dragons will grow rampant and the world would end

2) if he felt too honourbound to hunt dragons down he would abandon his position leaving no Jarl in his place,

 

Seems kinda a waste to me? "The lazy are rewarded with less work while the hard working are rewarded with more" , that's just how the world is

[Earende]

There are many heroes in many stories who ended up becoming some big shot (king, noble, etc.). People just want to have that option.

 

Also note we play as a Dragonborn - a bloody legend, and ended up recognized by many important people. Also, it doesn't mean you'll spend your whole life killing dragons; after killing several overgrown lizards and starting up your own propaganda campaign, I won't be surprised if a significant number of people will rally under you. Don't forget - DRAGONBORN, not since TALOS and in SKYRIM.

 

Of course, I'm not expecting anything like that - I'll be more than happy if the drones wondering around is capable of recognizing me as a thane.

 

I however am not. if there was one person in the world who could destroy dragons and prevent each one coming back, and dragons had spread far and wide across the the PLANET and had even started breeding, would you want to put that lone hero in a management position?

1) if he actually stays and does his duty then the dragons will grow rampant and the world would end

2) if he felt too honourbound to hunt dragons down he would abandon his position leaving no Jarl in his place,

 

Seems kinda a waste to me? "The lazy are rewarded with less work while the hard working are rewarded with more" , that's just how the world is

European nobles do it all the time, leaving their lands to go fool around half-way across the world.

 

You can also look at it this way. If the Dragonborn becomes High King, he can muster the whole of Skyrim to fight the Dragons. 1 man vs Dragons or Skyrim vs Dragons? I'm sure you can tell which is more effective.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Earende

[GoodfellowGoodspring]

I overruled the Imperials (near enough single-handedly) and followed Stormcloak to his word and all i got as a reward was his sword! How about making me Jarl instead of her who inherited the position from another pro-imperial, he didnt even offer me the position!

 

& Surely the Dragonborn shouldn't be going around doing pointless errands if he is destined to kill the dragon populace!

[sedeslav]

You are right! Old yarl in White run OLAF was Dragonborn. H was captured Dragon in Dragonsreach and for that he become Highking of all Skyrim. That's the Skyrim history.

[Khorak]

I definitely think they should have allowed players to become a Jarl. It frankly makes less sense that Ulfric would fail to reward you in such a fashion. You're the Dragonborn and a well-proven supporter of his cause who can be directly linked to his victory. VERY directly linked. It's good political sense to put a loyal and practically unkillably powerful supporter in charge of one of the Holds, let alone also benefitting from the symbolically powerful association with the Dragonborn himself. And since everything Ulfric does is predicated on his hatred of the Thalmor and protecting Skyrim, he can rest easy knowing that if he goes down, the Dragonborn can take up the reins and keep Skyrim safe. It's win win win.

 

And in gaming terms it allows for more quests with the variety of 'making your city better'. Hell, remove any ambiguity of taking power from other political supporters of Ulfric by having them killed. No, not by you, you bloodthirsty lunatics, I'm proposing we get MARKARTH! Yes. We all hate Markarth, but I'm proposing a questline that cleans it up and makes it great, a fitting accomplishment for the Dragonborn and evidence of the greatness of his future endeavours! There can be a massive Forsworn attack that kills the Silverbloods, leaving a power vacuum Ulfric wishes to raise you into as reward for your fealty. We can inject some humanity into the man at that point as well, by having him genuinely apologise for not being able to reward you in such fashion immediately, due to all such positions being sworn to his network of supporters; he never expected a powerful mythological figure to rise up so quickly and suddenly. He's decided to just bite the bullet and take a political hit by elevating you over the objections of other powerful figures who wanted the job. You can easily translate all of this into the Imperial Legion questline; the same Forsworn attack can happen, and you can be sent in as military governor to restore Imperial power. You do all the exact same things and at the end you are offered the position of Jarl if you want it by the ragged remains (most dead by initial Forsworn attack) of the city court as appreciation for your decisive, inspiring, profitable and all round awesome leadership.

 

It gives you the opportunity to gain some power, it opens up a s***load of quest options (the Reach is overflowing with quest building opportunities against the Forsworn, on top of city improvement), and most importantly it allows a cool way to vastly improve a horrible, horrible place. And I just had another idea...you can bring other characters back. Maybe convince a deposed Jarl to help you. For me specifically I'd choose Balgruuf....you can have a fairly ugly conversation with him and explain that you were doing what was best for Skyrim, you never truly wished to fight him or do him any harm, but there was no other choice. You want to give him the opportunity to restore himself and his family to importance and prominence as your advisor and member of your court. Or he can sit in the Blue Palace complaining for the rest of his life. His choice.

 

....city building is fun! :D

[Nekrafilia]

As Dragonborn I was fully expecting to become Emperor, especially after driving my dagger into his heart.

Isn't that the way of most succession?

 

Isn't my Dragonborn blood, strength of Th'uum, Thane of so many holds, winning the war for the Imperials and defeating Alduin good enough for even a shot at a Jarldom?

 

Noooo, still the guards treat me with disrespect and no one seems to care that I just slaughtered a dragon attacking their hold and burning their citizens to a smoking crisp.

 

Sorry about the chicken I killed in the melee, I'll happily go to jail for the offense.

 

Power? No you're just the same scum sucking peasant to most people in the game that you were at level 1.

 

Now I just wander the lands killing Thalmor for kicks and the occasional poor fishwife and rogue mage when the Night Mother (oh, sweet Night Mother!!!) commands.

 

Do I detect a lack of endgame fulfillment?......

[elleonblanco]

As Dragonborn I was fully expecting to become Emperor, especially after driving my dagger into his heart.

Isn't that the way of most succession?

 

Isn't my Dragonborn blood, strength of Th'uum, Thane of so many holds, winning the war for the Imperials and defeating Alduin good enough for even a shot at a Jarldom?

 

Noooo, still the guards treat me with disrespect and no one seems to care that I just slaughtered a dragon attacking their hold and burning their citizens to a smoking crisp.

 

Sorry about the chicken I killed in the melee, I'll happily go to jail for the offense.

 

Power? No you're just the same scum sucking peasant to most people in the game that you were at level 1.

 

Now I just wander the lands killing Thalmor for kicks and the occasional poor fishwife and rogue mage when the Night Mother (oh, sweet Night Mother!!!) commands.

 

Do I detect a lack of endgame fulfillment?......

 

 

Exactly!!!

 

And... not even any New Vegas radio to give reports of your deeds.

Edited December 29, 2011 by elleonblanco

[trees415]

As Dragonborn I was fully expecting to become Emperor, especially after driving my dagger into his heart.

Isn't that the way of most succession?

 

Isn't my Dragonborn blood, strength of Th'uum, Thane of so many holds, winning the war for the Imperials and defeating Alduin good enough for even a shot at a Jarldom?

 

Noooo, still the guards treat me with disrespect and no one seems to care that I just slaughtered a dragon attacking their hold and burning their citizens to a smoking crisp.

 

Sorry about the chicken I killed in the melee, I'll happily go to jail for the offense.

 

Power? No you're just the same scum sucking peasant to most people in the game that you were at level 1.

 

Now I just wander the lands killing Thalmor for kicks and the occasional poor fishwife and rogue mage when the Night Mother (oh, sweet Night Mother!!!) commands.

 

Do I detect a lack of endgame fulfillment?......

The worst is when you kill a dragon as 5 or 6 guards look on, then you go up to them to get some appreciation, and they wonder out loud if they might be the dragonborn, or tell you to stop lollygaggin.

smh...

 

I have to agree with the OP. Weapons are cool for a little bit, maybe as rewards as the story progresses, but not even at the end!!??? Come on, the guards still call me sneak thief!

Edited December 29, 2011 by trees415