Newbie Help with Constant CTD

[kurosawaftw7]

Hey everyone. So I was able to play FO4 awhile a go with a bunch of mods, and after not playing it for a few months I decided to jump back in with a new character. But, the game will not load beyond the new game button, as it CTDs basically instantly. I've tried running NMM and FO4 as admin, but no luck. I've already posted to Steam but the advice I've gotten hasn't helped. Here was my last post: I've looked all over for help, manually uninstalled mods that weren't properly uninstalled by NMM, updated all my mods on NMM, used F4SE to launch the game, reinstalled the game, verified the game cache several times, and have tried a bunch of other things I can't even clearly recall. I also used LOOT every time I try to run the game but nothing changes. Is it the current release version of the game that's causing problems, or a DLC, or load order of my mods?

 

I also wonder if there is some incompatibility problem with AWKCR, but I don't know about that for sure. I've tried deleting a few mods so far, but the problem persists.

 

Anyone able to help me where Steam Discussions failed? I am by no means very knowledgeable about modding or using NMM, I'm just someone who casually uses mods in Bethesda games.

[snapper69]

Do you mean that you are starting from scratch with a new character? When you tried to play, did Steam break, sorry update, your game? If you are starting from scratch, I think that you will need to go to plug-ins and disable them all, apart from the .esm one(s) at the top, then see if you can start the game. If so, play it until you have come back out of the vault, then save the game and exit. You should then be able to enable your plug-ins and then try to restart the game. If you can play the game with the plug-ins disabled, but it crashes when you enable them, you can try disabling them all again and then enabling them a few at a time (5 or 10) then try to run the game. If it starts, fine, if it doesn't you will have narrowed down the problem.

 

If Steam has broken, sorry, updated your game, you will need to update your mods and F4SE.

 

Loot is ok, it sometimes gives you messages about conflicts etc, but it doesn't always get plug-ins in the right order, for example, Scrap Everything has to be right at the bottom of the list, but Loot moves it higher up.

 

Hope some of this helps.

[damanding]

Please post your mod list.

[kurosawaftw7]

Thanks for the replies. I tried disabling all plugins excluding DLCs, and I had the exact same problem of the brand new game CTDing with an attempt to create a new character in a new game.

 

Here is what I have in Plugins.txt:

*Snap'n Build.esm
*ArmorKeywords.esm
*Loads.esm
*SettlementKeywords.esm
*NewCalibers.esp
*ASVektor.esp
*Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp
*Armorsmith Extended.esp
*Scrap Everything - Core.esp
*Scrap Everything - Far Harbor.esp
*Scrap Everything - Nuka World.esp
*Wasteland Baubles.esp
*Wasteland Baubles Loot Options.esp
*M2216.esp
*DOOM1911.esp
*3dscopes.esp
*CarryWeight2000.esp
*CarryWeight200Strength.esp
*Armor_Mods_Expanded_v1b2.esp
*Ballistic Weave Vaultsuits.esp
*EferasBetterBeds.esp
*VC_BetterWorkshopLightsComplete.esp
*BrighterSettlementLights.esp
*DDP_Ramps_mark1.esp
*Crowbar.esp
*DarkerNights.esp
*DarkerNightsDetection.esp
*dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
*dD - Small Splatter Size.esp
*Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp
*floodlight-medium.esp
*WET.esp
*BattleRifle.esp
*GrenadePistol.esp
*LegendaryModification.esp
*LegendaryModificationCSA.esp
*LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp
*LegendaryModificationMisc.esp
*LighterGuns.esp
*SniperDamage.esp
*Crafting Workbench.esp
*Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp
*Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp
*Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp
*Crafting Workbenches - Junk Items.esp
*Crafting Workbenches - Power Armor.esp
*Crafting Workbenches - Pre War and Manufactured.esp
*3dscopes-AddToSpawnList.esp
*3dscopes-framework.esp
*3dscopes-m2216addon.esp
*3dscopes-vektoraddon.esp
*3dscopes-m1911addon.esp
*MoreWeaves.esp
*Northland Diggers.esp
*Northland Diggers New.esp
*Ammo Names.esp
*roadflare.esp
*ScrapDeadThings.esp
*Artillery_Grenade.esp
*Vertibird_Grenades.esp
*BetterJunkFences.esp
*BetterInstituteDamage.esp
*WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
*More Cooking 1_1.esp
*mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp
*1918bar.esp
*DOOMMAC11.esp
*Mac11.esp
*mk14.esp
*DRSB - Damageable and Repairable Sanctuary Bridge.esp
*StopBangingOnMyHouse2.esp
*P99.esp
*DOOMThatGun.esp
*AK2047.esp
*3dscopes-ak2047addon.esp
*DesertEagle50AE.esp
*ModularKalash.esp
*R91M.esp
*M14.esp
*hk 45.esp
*3dscopes-r91maddon.esp
*3dscopes-m14addon.esp
*M1911.esp
*SpetnazRifle.esp
*3dscopes-spetnazaddon.esp
*SpetnazNewCaliberPatch.esp
*Hatchetsf*#@ingRock.esp
*G3.esp
*1942Weaponry.esp
*THSurvivorKnife.esp
*Maxon's Outfit.esp
*9mmPistol.esp
*M4A1.esp
*AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp
*AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Ballistic Weave.esp
*AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - No Crafting Perks.esp
*AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp
*RichMerchants.esp
*DOOMDesertEagle.esp
*DOOMDeagle-NC-Patch.esp
*M1014.esp
*MoreHuntingRifleReceivers.esp
*SCAR-L.esp

The current load order occurred after clicking Import Profile's Load Order. I wasn't sure what it would do. I tried moving just Scarp Everything to the bottom and it CTD'd again. I did update my mods very recently, like a few days ago.

 

Edit: I forgot to mention that the current load order was tested, as was the previous load order, and I had the CTD. No changes.

Edited November 30, 2016 by kurosawaftw7

[damanding]

Just a quick side note, Scrap Everything does need to be at the bottom to work, but I seriously doubt that's causing your CTDs. The first thing I would check is to make sure that the version of F4SE you're running is meant to work with the version of the game you're running. They cannot be even slightly mismatched in versions.

[kurosawaftw7]

Okay, thanks. Do I have to start the game via NMM before using F4SE? BTW, I have the latest version of F4SE.

Edited November 30, 2016 by kurosawaftw7

[damanding]

What you need to do is setup NMM to launch F4SE via NMM.

[kurosawaftw7]

Okay. I tried that but it still did a CTD the exact same way as before. I will try uninstalling some mods next. Are there any mods from that list you think I should get rid of that might cause a problem?

[IronGator454]

I noticed we run many of the same mods and I have had fits myself but have running smoothly at moment. Double check Armor Keywords and Settlement Keywords for latest versions and alot of my weapons gave me fits without patches, and some as in the AK2047, I just couldnt get to act right. Might try turning off Desert Eagle as in AE vs Doom version. Honestly, Doom has great stuff but just couldnt run several. Anyway, as we do run alot of the same.... maybe my load order can at least give you some ideas.

 

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Boats.esp=1
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RenCloseThatDoorMod.esp=1
RainofBrassPetals_Low.esp=1
No Aggro Impact Landing.esp=1
WestTekTacticalOptics.esp=1
WestTekTacticalOptics-AWKCR.esp=1
mso_sms.esp=1
Overkill_PAmod.esp=1
FallComplete.esp=1
NoFallDamage.esp=1
Catchthis.esp=1
SniperSledge.esp=1
ApalLeotard.esp=1
WIPAG - Paint Garage - Full (Easy).esp=1
WIPAG - Decal Station.esp=1
WIPAG - Materials Overhaul.esp=1
WIPAG - Mod Overhaul.esp=1
WIPAG - Legendary Mods Compatibility Patch.esp=1
WIPAG - Model-X.esp=1
WIPAG - MPAM Compatibility Patch.esp=1
Jetpacks Unlimited Master.esp=1
JU Original (Compact).esp=1
JU Original (V-Wing).esp=1
Max Food Production per Settler 15.esp=1
No more monochrome - Color setting for the Pipboy!.esp=1
WPFDU_Generators_x1000.esp=1
WPFDU_Food_x50.esp=1
WPFDU_Water_x1000.esp=1
dinoshelf.esp=1
SettlementLimitSlashedFarHarbor.esp=1
AkaSinger.esp=1
EasyLockpicking.esp=1
Weapon Brackets.esp=1
BetterSettlers.esp=1
BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp=1
BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp=1
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Workshop_Planters.esp=1
ASVektor.esp=1
BattleRifle.esp=1
mysteriousmagnum.esp=1
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NewCalibersPatchesCombined_WSE2_Patch.esp=0
mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp=1
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M14.esp=1
MP153.esp=1
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WO-ScarH.esp=1
WO-AK47.esp=0
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Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp=0
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USNBOSTONWRECK.esp=1
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Judge.esp=0
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m82a.esp=1
ArmorTables.esp=1
ManufacturingExtended.esp=1
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Snappable Covenant Walls.esp=1
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WeaponDisplays.esp=1
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CWSS Redux.esp=1
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DX Commonwealth Shorts.esp=1
DX Vault Girl Shorts.esp=1
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Unrestricted Trading.esp=1
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BetterAutomatronWeapons.esp=1
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Starlight DriveIn.esp=1
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Boston State Prison.esp=1
AutomaticSave.esp=1
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111Club3366.esp=1
Headcrab_Bunny.esp=1
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Note... dont forget "0"'s are inactive

[damanding]

I don't know every single mod on the list of course, but the above advice to make sure AWKCR and related mods are up to date is good, also check every mod that uses an ESM. Check Scrap Everything for updates also. Then make sure that Legendary Modifications and Crafting Workbenches are all installed correctly. Nearly all of your other mods are weapon mods. If they're adding to leveled lists without injection scripts you might have incompatibilities between them. It's also possible that something you uninstalled didn't fully uninstall and you have leftover loose files or esps in your data folder.