Steam.

[Shantih]

I'm just a fan.

 

That much is obvious.

 

Frankly I'd rather be a fan of a game than a fan of Steam but that's a personal choice and we can all respect that.

 

There is no need to get all riled up about people not liking a software that is forced upon us and does nothing to make our games run better.

 

I've heard of this issue before, but on the six computers I've had Steam on I've never encountered it. Maybe your doing wrong.

 

I most certainly am not, and nor are the other knowledgeable and intelligent members of this community who are experiencing the issue. If we are clever enough to make, test and fix mods ourselves, we certainly know how to make Steam not update. It's known as taking it offline, that is the ONLY way to make it cease and desist.

 

It is indeed the only way and the "Maybe your doing wrong" argument is not relevant when this has been pointed out repeatedly by many long standing members of this community.

[coreypikes]

I honestly believe that Bethesda thinks highly of the modding community, and I just can't see them lowering themselves to the point of trying to make money off of others peoples hard work.

 

And no, Valve (the guys who own Steam) don't pay me. I'm just a fan.

 

No?

 

Do yourself a favor and work some years in the corporate world, favorably in PR. It might be a long needed reality check what a company actually is and what it isn't.

 

If there's money to be made it will be made. They're not friends to invite over for some beer, they are responsible to their shareholders. And no, I'm not talking about Joe Developer. I'm talking about the people you don't see. But these are the people actually pulling the strings.

 

Yes, that is the worst case/doomsday scenerio. Steam Workshop will simply be another place where you can upload your mod. SImply that. It's not an evil coprate plot. It's convience, plane and simple. Now, if Sony/Microsoft lift their bans on mods on their perspective systems, yes, I can see Beth milking that for all that it's worth.

[coreypikes]

I'm just a fan.

 

That much is obvious.

 

Frankly I'd rather be a fan of a game than a fan of Steam but that's a personal choice and we can all respect that.

 

There is no need to get all riled up about people not liking a software that is forced upon us and does nothing to make our games run better.

 

I've heard of this issue before, but on the six computers I've had Steam on I've never encountered it. Maybe your doing wrong.

 

I most certainly am not, and nor are the other knowledgeable and intelligent members of this community who are experiencing the issue. If we are clever enough to make, test and fix mods ourselves, we certainly know how to make Steam not update. It's known as taking it offline, that is the ONLY way to make it cease and desist.

 

It is indeed the only way and the "Maybe your doing wrong" argument is not relevant when this has been pointed out repeatedly by many long standing members of this community.

 

Has anyone attempted to contact Steam support with this issue? Anytime I've had an issue with Steam as a whole, they've been quick to assist me.

 

[ginnyfizz]

I moved my entire Steam installation to C\Games\Steam a very long time ago.

[abaris]

 

Yes, that is the worst case/doomsday scenerio. Steam Workshop will simply be another place where you can upload your mod. SImply that. It's not an evil coprate plot. It's convience, plane and simple. Now, if Sony/Microsoft lift their bans on mods on their perspective systems, yes, I can see Beth milking that for all that it's worth.

 

No, that is business. It's not an evil plot - it simply is business.

 

Why do you folks still think, there's some moral at play? The whole reason why business exists is to make money for it's owners. Satisfying the customers is a way to make even more money, but it's not the purpose.

 

Steam workshop, as far as I see it, is some kind of brainstorming to use in future products. The fineprint will strip the uploaders of their rights - that's a given - but money is probably not it's immediate goal.

[coreypikes]

I moved my entire Steam installation to C\Games\Steam a very long time ago.

 

Yes, but have attempted to contact Steam support with this issue? Personally, I feel that they would want to know about an issue such as this.

[coreypikes]

Yes, that is the worst case/doomsday scenerio. Steam Workshop will simply be another place where you can upload your mod. SImply that. It's not an evil coprate plot. It's convience, plane and simple. Now, if Sony/Microsoft lift their bans on mods on their perspective systems, yes, I can see Beth milking that for all that it's worth.

 

No, that is business. It's not an evil plot - it simply is business.

 

Why do you folks still think, there's some moral at play? The whole reason why business exists is to make money for it's owners. Satisfying the customers is a way to make even more money, but it's not the purpose.

 

Steam workshop, as far as I see it, is some kind of brainstorming to use in future products. The fineprint will strip the uploaders of their rights - that's a given - but money is probably not it's immediate goal.

 

Again, worst case scenrio. We, the modding community, do not know what the CK's fine print is yet. However, Hammer's fine print (now I could be wrong, it's been awhile) states that the create of the map/object/ect is the sole owner of that creation. Now, lets look at Garry's mod. From what I remember, Valve cuts him a check from the sales that it (the mod) makes. A mod using Hammer. Valve's CS/CK. Now I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound that bad. Does that mean Beth will follow suit? No. But it does look good.

[DeluxeSux]

Yes, that is the worst case/doomsday scenerio. Steam Workshop will simply be another place where you can upload your mod. SImply that. It's not an evil coprate plot. It's convience, plane and simple. Now, if Sony/Microsoft lift their bans on mods on their perspective systems, yes, I can see Beth milking that for all that it's worth.

 

No, that is business. It's not an evil plot - it simply is business.

 

Why do you folks still think, there's some moral at play? The whole reason why business exists is to make money for it's owners. Satisfying the customers is a way to make even more money, but it's not the purpose.

 

Steam workshop, as far as I see it, is some kind of brainstorming to use in future products. The fineprint will strip the uploaders of their rights - that's a given - but money is probably not it's immediate goal.

 

Again, worst case scenrio. We, the modding community, do not know what the CK's fine print is yet. However, Hammer's fine print (now I could be wrong, it's been awhile) states that the create of the map/object/ect is the sole owner of that creation. Now, lets look at Garry's mod. From what I remember, Valve cuts him a check from the sales that it (the mod) makes. A mod using Hammer. Valve's CS/CK. Now I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound that bad. Does that mean Beth will follow suit? No. But it does look good.

No, it doesn't. They can do whatever they want with their own property. If they want to take everything from you there's not a damn thing you can do about it! Btw, make me a Werewolf mod. :P

[coreypikes]

Yes, that is the worst case/doomsday scenerio. Steam Workshop will simply be another place where you can upload your mod. SImply that. It's not an evil coprate plot. It's convience, plane and simple. Now, if Sony/Microsoft lift their bans on mods on their perspective systems, yes, I can see Beth milking that for all that it's worth.

 

No, that is business. It's not an evil plot - it simply is business.

 

Why do you folks still think, there's some moral at play? The whole reason why business exists is to make money for it's owners. Satisfying the customers is a way to make even more money, but it's not the purpose.

 

Steam workshop, as far as I see it, is some kind of brainstorming to use in future products. The fineprint will strip the uploaders of their rights - that's a given - but money is probably not it's immediate goal.

 

Again, worst case scenrio. We, the modding community, do not know what the CK's fine print is yet. However, Hammer's fine print (now I could be wrong, it's been awhile) states that the create of the map/object/ect is the sole owner of that creation. Now, lets look at Garry's mod. From what I remember, Valve cuts him a check from the sales that it (the mod) makes. A mod using Hammer. Valve's CS/CK. Now I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound that bad. Does that mean Beth will follow suit? No. But it does look good.

No, it doesn't. They can do whatever they want with their own property. If they want to take everything from you there's not a damn thing you can do about it! Btw, make me a Werewolf mod. :P

 

Really, that's your rebuttal. Wow, you are the worst troll ever.

[PR4Y]

posting only after reading the first page of comments... and I'd just like to point out the following:

 

 

Posters that "hate steam too": 1 liner posts on accounts with less then 10 post count.

Posters that actually had something legible to say: Well thought out posts with informative content and usually 100+ posts.

 

 

 

/thread.

 

Trolls will be trolls, let this post die please... we've already been through this discussion / flame war like 30 times, there's no need to beat a dead horse.