False "save corruption" during gameplay

[tonycubed2]

Lethiel: failure on their part does not mean they were on the wrong track:

 

Thomas Edison's teachers said he was "too stupid to learn anything." He was fired from his first two jobs for being "non-productive." As an inventor, Edison made 1,000 unsuccessful attempts at inventing the light bulb. When a reporter asked, "How did it feel to fail 1,000 times?" Edison replied, "I didnât fail 1,000 times. The light bulb was an invention with 1,000 steps."

 

Anything worthwhile in skyrim I have done thru perseverance. It's a key to success in general. Personally I am a rank C modder, with the legends being rank A. Yet my mods have been enjoyed by about a million people. Counting Xbox and PlayStation. Would not have happened if when I was very green and made the target of ridicule and decision I had quit. The rank A person who led that attack on me was merciless. But I did not quit. Imagine, if I had all this wisdom would not have been shared with lucky you!

 

Both plans I presented you are tried and true. We have used it ourselves with great success . Helped many with it. The latest one will let you keep in the end most of your mods. You choose not to try either , but you cannot say that detailed proposed solutions were not given to you. Instead you are trying to hatch a solution by sitting on a petrified egg. Unless your name is Daenerys Targaryen you may want to reconsider that plan of action.

[lethielnyrond]

And you might want to reconsider using Edison as an exemplar.

 

Lethiel

[Ramagast]

I love how existential the discussion became. Friends told me that it happens during long criminal investigations (yeaaah, I wasn't always a game designer), but I never witnessed that.

The method of elimination is perfectly sound. I used it to find the cause of crashes when I was rebuilding my mod list.
It, however, has one particular flaw: iteration time. It's okay if I'm testing a particular event happening under specific circumstances. Iteration takes an hour at most.
The corruption, however, can happen after 30 hours of play. Or immediately if we're lucky. That's why I don't actually know if my game has it or not.
So, the comparison of mod lists seemed like a good idea. Until after a dozen lists not a single mod was in each of them. Next good theories are: mod groups (let's say, some SKSE remnants in a number of ported mods) or mods that don't have the .esp. But there are other theories as well. DirectX installation, flash version, video card drivers and so on. It complicates things. People start to talk about voodoo and planet alignments.

[lethielnyrond]

Well, exactly. I know my game has it because it still shows up, but the length of time between incidences is so long that doing a binary search to find out if a specific mod were causing it would take, at a rough guess, the best part of a year. I want to get past the main quest, not repeat it endlessly. And, as you say, between us we've ruled out all the mods, so that method in this case is not only far too long-winded, but *irrelevant*. Two reasons to "choose not to try".

 

Of course, given that it's so rare with me now I could just put up with it and stop making a fuss, but I WANT TO KNOW. And there's no guarantee, given that the cause is unknown, that it won't suddenly break out in full force and reduce me to ten-minute play sessions again. Anything could trigger it.

 

I was hoping for some of that good guidance on the best way to build up a mod list and order it by hand, to fill in the actual gaps in my actual knowledge, but I'm not going to push any more. I'm tired of arguing with someone who thinks I'm a dribbling idiot, and hates the kind of mods I like anyway. Either I've been weighed, measured and found wanting, or there's really nothing there. Either way, I'm comfy with that. I have a (mostly) playable game, with all my mods, and that is a great mercy. Someone will find an answer to the Bug eventually, probably by serendipity, and then I'll be glad. Or it will spread among the playerbase from these small beginnings, and everyone will abandon SSE and go play something else. Bethesda won't be bothered.

 

You can only push the world for so long. I need a break.

 

I hope you continue Bug-free for a long time. Thanks for starting this thread. <3

 

Lethiel

[tonycubed2]

Ramagast​: true. I was mostly serious when I said testing could overlap with next elders scroll title. It would be a slow process over potentially several months, if 30 hours is the safe goal.

 

One clue, me an my peeps indeed concentrate on combat and killing. And mods that deal with that, whether they add npcs to fight or provide more spells and weapons to use. In general we avoid mods that enhance graphics, increase texture resolution, add more trees and grass. The npcs we add require more game resources, so we minimize mods that would drain resources. My point is that mods that add npcs, hostile encounters, spells, weapons, change ai, do not seem to trigger the bug when competing mods are not used or minimized. Just a thought, not a break thru.

 

I actually don't particularly love Edison, due to his treatment of Nikola Tesla. Tesla's genius I believe surpassed that of Edison, by several levels. Fascinating man. Photographic memory,. and used picture thinking. Some of his quotes:

 

Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more.

The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.

The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine.

[tonycubed2]

lethielnyrond: "best way to build up a mod list and order it by hand" . Please feel free to post on my Sands of Time se page with mod lists questions, or here, or pm me, whatever. Preferably sot se page as the sot members lurk there, and they are very helpful. We sometimes get people posting there for help on mods that we have no involvement in simply because we answer and they don't. We will be happy to share ideas and advice on whatever questions you have on choosing mods, orders, etc. If you need a custom patch I am willing. I do not need to use a mod to make a patch. I help people with them all the time. We will help you with wry bash and tesedit, two tools you should be using to get the most out of your load orders.

 

I don't hate your mods. Not interested is a better way to put it, since our focus is more visceral and crude. Sparta!!!!!! But I am willing to help.

 

No joking, if you need help on something besides this bug, we would be honored to have your posts and will do our best to answer them. We have some heavy hitters, one of us will have the answer. RefusedZero, Jebbalon, CrushZero, GhostAgent, many others. All great guys.

[lethielnyrond]

Okay. Thank you. And I'm sorry for getting impatient and cranky, but I hope you can see why.

 

I use Wrye Bash and SSEEdit, but only rote fashion to make a bashed patch and a merged patch. I know they can both do more than that, but I've not yet learned how. I've tried looking in SSEEdit to find mod conflicts, but I don't really know what I'm looking at or what to do about it if I did.

 

It's good to know there's somewhere I can come for help.

 

Lethiel

[TheMadTemplar]

Oh, me too. Practically everything kryptopyr made that uses SKSE, just for a start. And Real Estate. I really wanted that back.

 

Well, if it gets too hard I can always download and reinstall Oldrim, and OldSKSE, and have fun building up my list there again. I bet there have been some interesting developments while I've been on SSE.

 

Lethiel

Thing is, even with this bug playing SE has been a breath of fresh air. I eventually quit playing Skyrim a long time ago because of how complicated it could get, with multiple third party tools being required and memory issues and random CTD's coupled with the occasional spontaneous combustion of your graphics card (jk mostly).... SE is pretty solid and stable.

 

It's just this needle in a haystack bug causing frustration.

 

And I've been around, keeping an eye on this thread to see if there are any new developments. With the current semester my gaming time was significantly cut down, so I try to keep up with the online games I play so I don't fall behind. Still, thanks to everyone has still been working on this for some time.

[kociol21]

Well, I just read every single post in this thread.

 

I now have it too. It is the strangest bug I've ever seen. No one has a clue what causes it.

 

I played for 60 hours without it and suddenly it appeared out of nowhere. Same thing as everybody. I'm running 201 esps and I indeed run SkyUI.

 

It happened three times as for now, every time after battle with lot of opponents. Or maybe it wasn't battle that triggered it, but the fact that I scrolled like 1000 rows in crafting menu? (immersive jewelry) Who knows.

 

Honestly I wouldn't even care too much if it's once in few hours but I'm afraid that it becomes once in every few minutes like some others reported...

[TheMadTemplar]

Well, I just read every single post in this thread.

 

I now have it too.

 

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way.