SpellAndShield Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 or many other quests for that matter? I am attempting a heroic Nord warrioress now but I want to dabble in conjuration, i.e. necromancy, which isn't very heroic I suppose. I guess at the end of the day TES are always very gray, never black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvinkun Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Well, technically, just the fact you are talking to Daedra princess makes you grey, at the very least, working for them goes beyond that. On the other hand, what is black and white, anywhere? You just have admit that it's goody-hero in the public and selfish bastard killing kittens for reward in the private :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanoro Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Thing is, though, with most Daedric quests you have a choice to be good or evil. Let me exemplify: In the Molag Bal quest you get attacked by a Vigilant of Stendarr who says "it's you or him". Would a hero just lay down his life for a coward? Would a hero not punish a follower of Boethia? If so, then isn't it better to get a mace in the process as well? For many quests such as for Vaermina, Namira, etc. you can choose what to do, whether to get the daedric artifact or to be on the side of the good guys and exterminate the daedric infestation. For other quests, even though you technically help Daedric Princes, you're not being asked to do something evil (you have to clean a shrine of draugr, repair an artifact, clear a dwemer ruin of a weird disease worshipping cult, kill a murdering werewolf, kill some vampires and reunite a daedric prince and his dog, etc.). There are some, of course, that are clear cut evil though but when it comes to it you can choose not to do them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faifh Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 In the Molag Bal quest you get attacked by a Vigilant of Stendarr who says "it's you or him". Would a hero just lay down his life for a coward? Would a hero not punish a follower of Boethia? If so, then isn't it better to get a mace in the process as well? Well I tried not to kill the Vigilant, and let him hit me for 15 real minutes while I looked for switches etc, but there is no other option to get out of the house. However, I freed that strong willed guy -> good. I was even honest to that strong willed guy, that Molag Bal wants to see him, and it was his own decision to get there. So I still considered my actions good, as I did not lie or trick him. However, when Molag Bal tells you to kill him 3 times, you have no other choice to advance/end the quest. You could only leave the house, and leave him there for starving. I suppose he will still be locked in the altar, whenever you come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 But the Daedra ARE good. Even Mehrunes Dagon is a beacon of hope and progress. All he asks you to do is kill the man who wants to reforge one of the most terrible weapons in existance. Is it 'evil' to kill the guy whose trying to build a nuke? Vermina asks you to bring a person to feed her family. It is evil to feed starving people? Molag Bal asks you to punish the man who desicrates his shrine. Is it evil to smack someone around for pissing on the altar? The Daedra cannot be view in a strictly Good/Evil sense. They are extreme expressions of a certian idea. Molag Bal, for instance, is dominance. Dominance is a normal part of social interaction, he just takes it to its absolute extreme. Vermina is an expression of the 'abnormal', in other words things which don't fit into normal society. Boethia is an expresion of self reliance, again taken to the extreme of "only the strong survive". You can still be a hero if you help the Daedra, because even if you are commiting 'evil' acts in their names, you are not serving 'evil' entities. Besides, otherwise evil means can often be used for good, remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModelV Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Could technically argue about whether or not they are evil for days but generally its best to just go by your own morality meter and not use guides>.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Could technically argue about whether or not they are evil for days but generally its best to just go by your own morality meter and not use guides>.>This. You can't really say for sure if Daedra are evil or not imo. I can see a hero justifying himself after killing someone for a extremely powerful artifact that helps him save the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faifh Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Could technically argue about whether or not they are evil for days but generally its best to just go by your own morality meter and not use guides>.>This. You can't really say for sure if Daedra are evil or not imo. I can see a hero justifying himself after killing someone for a extremely powerful artifact that helps him save the world. "Azura is the only daedric that is not considered inherently evil". - A loading screen tooltip (recreated from my memory), would the tool tips lie to you? Edited January 10, 2012 by faifh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 "Azura is one of the only daedric that is not considered inherently evil". I beleive the Quote should read as thus, though i can;t be 100% sure as i don't have Skyrim on this laptop. The only other two i know of which fit the same bill are Nocturnal and Meridia. Of course, again, this is mortal concepts of morality on fundimentally different beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclericp Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Could technically argue about whether or not they are evil for days but generally its best to just go by your own morality meter and not use guides>.>This. You can't really say for sure if Daedra are evil or not imo. I can see a hero justifying himself after killing someone for a extremely powerful artifact that helps him save the world. "Azura is the only daedric that is not considered inherently evil". - A loading screen tooltip (recreated from my memory), would the tool tips lie to you? Azura might be considered not so evil, but dont forget she was the reason why dunmers became black with red eyes.honestly i think she is the most evil one, which is why i avoid her quest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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