Feanoro Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 By the way, it's Namira who asks you to feed her family, not Vaermina. Personally I found that to be the most disturbing quest so far :D. Vaermina's Skull of Corruption can be obtained if you betray your companion priest of Mara and kill him, which is really evil. Another really evil Daedra quest is Boethiah's proving, which is to be expected since he's the lord of betrayal. Mephala's quest (The Whispering Door) is also quite evil so be sure to avoid that. I think you can safely do Malacath's quest in Largashbur without feeling like you've done something evil. No betrayals/unprovoked murders/etc. Just gotta kill some giants and then an Orc chieftain turns on you and tries to kill you. To be honest, though, if you won't defend yourself against people/creatures who attack you or feel bad about doing so then you should stick to chopping wood for a living:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Azura might be considered not so evil, but dont forget she was the reason why dunmers became black with red eyes.honestly i think she is the most evil one, which is why i avoid her quest Soo... shes evil because she made them ashen skinned and red eyed? That sounds awefully racist... The Chimer (Particularly the Tribunal) betrayed their gods and their king. What Azura did was a punishment for that betrayl, so they would always remember the crimes they had commited. I wouldn't call that evil, i'd call that justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faifh Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Mephala's quest (The Whispering Door) is also quite evil so be sure to avoid that. I actually felt oblidged to remove her sword, so the child is freed from her. I locked it up in my house instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 By the way, it's Namira who asks you to feed her family, not Vaermina. Personally I found that to be the most disturbing quest so far :D. Yes, i always get those two confused... The distinction between Secrets and people who like secrets is a subtle one to be sure. Personally though, i didn't have any problem with it, as it was just cannibalism, and it was just a Priest of Arkay. I'll eat anything that isn't endangered (Though i have yet to partake in the other, other white meat, and doubt i ever shall) and hte Priesthood of Arkay are all a bunch of religious morons who have no clue what happens after death. Better the man die in service of a real god than live in the service of a false one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodiak412 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Don't forget too that you are not killing these people for no reason. That would make you bad. You are killing these people so you can get a trinket you can store in your house. See big difference there. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Don't forget too that you are not killing these people for no reason. That would make you bad. You are killing these people so you can get a trinket you can store in your house. See big difference there. :)Killing someone without cause makes you insane not evil. ""Azura is the only daedric that is not considered inherently evil". - A loading screen tooltip (recreated from my memory), would the tool tips lie to you?" It says one of the only, not the only. And also note is says not CONSIDERED (meaning by the people in the game.) The morality can still be discussed by a third party. Tool tips do lie you to. For example, "THE DARK BROTHERHOOD HAS SANCTUARIES ALL OVER CYRODIIL." You might be being sarcastic though. Edited January 11, 2012 by marharth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsaur Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Is not being evil in game your own feeling of remorse or is there some legitimate reason (achievement, trophy, item etc.) you get for not killing "innocent" people or joining up with Daedric princes/princesses? I don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAnon Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Azura might be considered not so evil, but dont forget she was the reason why dunmers became black with red eyes.honestly i think she is the most evil one, which is why i avoid her quest Soo... shes evil because she made them ashen skinned and red eyed? That sounds awefully racist... The Chimer (Particularly the Tribunal) betrayed their gods and their king. What Azura did was a punishment for that betrayl, so they would always remember the crimes they had commited. I wouldn't call that evil, i'd call that justice. How about the fact she let several innocent students of the Collage of Winterhold be murdered horribly all in the name of her revenge? All Daedra are inherently grey; neither good nor evil just grey, they may have different ways of how they let themselves appear to us. They can all be just as cruel as the next; using us like pawns, then discarding us like trash whenever we loose are usefulness. "There is no good and no evil, just shades of ******* grey" -Fancis McReary, GTA IV Edited January 12, 2012 by SaintAnon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 How about the fact she let several innocent students of the Collage of Winterhold be murdered horribly all in the name of her revenge? I've had this come up on the Beth forums, and debated another fellow about it there as well. To me, it all comes down to intent. Did Azura send the mage in question (Whose name i can't remember because Paarthunax and Alduin are the only two remotely interesting characters in this game) to drive him mand and punish him, or were they an attempt to warn him about what tampering with the Star would cause? Because the Daedra are so fundimentally different than mortals, and we are only ever given a very minute glimse into their motivations, its hard to judge if any of them are good or evil. Intent is just as important as effect when evaluating the ethical worth of an action, and we almost never know the intent of the Daedra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanusForbeare Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Because the Daedra are so fundimentally different than mortals, and we are only ever given a very minute glimse into their motivations, its hard to judge if any of them are good or evil. Intent is just as important as effect when evaluating the ethical worth of an action, and we almost never know the intent of the Daedra. Well said. Sheogorath epitomizes this perspective. He's not innately 'evil', as his goal (if he can be said to have one) is to expand his sphere of influence by spreading madness and confusion. It is not because he's a 'bad man'. It's because that is what he is. He is madness incarnate. Daedra are like Aedra (aka the Divines); each has their own 'realm', their own facet of existence that they represent. When your character performs tasks for a Daedric Prince, he is not doing evil, he is aligning himself and his actions with the aspect of existence that that being represents. Also, to answer the OP's original question, I would say that even if you do subscribe to a black-and-white, dualistic view of religion in Tamriel, you can still do quests for the 'evil' Daedra and come out a hero in the end. In many heroic epics, the protagonist makes mistakes that advance the cause of 'evil'. Go watch Beowulf if you need inspiration (or if you just wanna see Angelina Jolie's butt :thumbsup: ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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