Load Order Assistance

[xMooCowManx]

I was just wondering if anyone could give me some advice on my load order/mod selection. I'm running a lot of mods and there seems to be a few conflicts/issues with them. Certain things like stat/restoration bonuses from food appear as zero such as Mole Rat Chunks awarding no AP or Grilled Radstag granting no carry weight [pretty much anything found in the food tab for Vald/ARWCSM (honestly not sure which)]. My sorting seems to be a complete mess in general. There have been a few other issues that I can't think of off of the top of my head as well.

Below is my load order (in spoiler). It may be a bit of a mess because I tried using LOOT to sort my mods, but things ended up even less functional so I went through and tried to sort them manually following a load order template. I got most things working correctly but there are still these few issues. I just need to know where I'm going wrong. Any help is much appreciated!

0 0 Fallout4.esm

1 1 DLCRobot.esm

2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm

3 3 DLCCoast.esm

4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm

5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm

6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm

7 7 SettlementKeywords.esm

8 8 ArmorKeywords.esm

9 9 ConcealedArmor.esm

10 a EthreonMasterPlan.esp

11 b Homemaker.esm

12 c Snap'n Build.esm

13 d SpringCleaning.esm

14 e CROP.esm

15 f TrueStormsFO4.esm

16 10 VideoMaster.esm

17 11 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

18 12 ConcealedArmor.esp

19 13 Perk Magazine Material Fix.esp

20 14 Lever Action Reload Fix.esp

21 15 Better Vendor Stalls.esp

22 16 OCDecorator.esp

23 17 OCDispenser.esp

24 18 CraftableWorkingWaterPipes.esp

25 19 BalconySupports.esp

26 1a Rebsy's Greebles 1.5 SKE PC - Boat Release.esp

27 1b Eli_Crafting Shiz 9000.esp

28 1c CREAtiveClutter.esp

29 1d dinoshelf.esp

30 1e dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp

31 1f DD_AIO Test Mark 1.esp

32 20 ExpandedSettlementBuildings.esp

33 21 FunctionalDisplays.esp

34 22 FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp

35 23 BetterShackBridges.esp

36 24 BetterStores.esp

37 25 BS-ExtraCustomProps.esp

38 26 Northland Diggers.esp

39 27 Northland Diggers New.esp

40 28 OSHA_Signs.esp

41 29 Taxidermy_Expanded.esp

42 2a Thematic and Practical.esp

43 2b cartman1975_warehouse.esp

44 2c WoodenPrefabsExtended.esp

45 2d AutoDoors.esp

46 2e Business Settlements.esp

47 2f Colored Workshop Lights.esp

48 30 ConcreteWalls_More_Snaps.esp

49 31 Cozy Beds.esp

50 32 VltCageElevator.esp

51 33 GruffyddsSignsAndPosters.esp

52 34 SignsOfTheTimesCategorized.esp

53 35 BetterJunkFences.esp

54 36 Power Conduits and Pylons Overhaul.esp

55 37 SettlementGarageSale.esp

56 38 SLR.esp

57 39 TheFridge.esp

58 3a VanillaExtensions.esp

59 3b CabinInTheWoods.esp

60 3c VerticalConduits.esp

61 3d Weapon Brackets.esp

62 3e OctaviusSentibar_Labels.esp

63 3f WindowBoards.esp

64 40 BoxHouses.esp

65 41 PipeGalore.esp

66 42 ScrapGrinder.esp

67 43 OWR_CraftableDecor.esp

68 44 Camping.esp

69 45 BasementLiving.esp

70 46 LR_Motorcycle.esp

71 47 LR_LoneWandererFarHarbour.esp

72 48 LR_LoneWandererNukaWorld.esp

73 49 OWR_CraftableDecor_SKPatch.esp

74 4a OCDecoratorDLC.esp

75 4b FunctionalDisplays-MISC-VIS-HTNJ.esp

76 4c FunctionalDisplays-Patch-DLC-ALL-VIS.esp

77 4d BS-FarHarborExpansion.esp

78 4e BS-FunctionalDisplaysPatch.esp

79 4f Thematic and Practical - DLC.esp

80 50 Invisible_Guard_Marker-SKE.esp

81 51 Power Conduits and Pylons Overhaul - SKE.esp

82 52 OWR_CraftableDecor_CW.esp

83 53 SpecialVideos.esp

84 54 VotWGeneralPurposePatch.esp

85 55 Homemaker - Greenhouse and Bunker Disabler SKE.esp

86 56 SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp

87 57 ImmersiveScrapping_SeasonPass.esp

88 58 Weapons of Fate.esp

89 59 SalvageBeacons.esp

90 5a MoreBobbleheads.esp

91 5b MAGS.esp

92 5c Larger Shipments.esp

93 5d Binary Speech Checks V.4.esp

94 5e 75% Fusion Core Drain.esp

95 5f CriticalHitsOutsideofVATS.esp

96 60 Exploding Eyebots.esp

97 61 FO4Hotkeys.esp

98 62 SlowTime.esp

99 63 Journey.esp

100 64 Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp

101 65 Scroungers Weekly.esp

102 66 More Durable Power Armor - 75%.esp

103 67 No Seeker Boulders.esp

104 68 PeopleAreStrangers.esp

105 69 QuickTrade.esp

106 6a SurvivalOptions.esp

107 6b Quick Save.esp

108 6c XCE.esp

109 6d LunchboxSurprise.esp

110 6e SafeTrunkContentsReworked.esp

111 6f RailroadPerksCut.esp

112 70 StrongBackPlusLite.esp

113 71 WiredReflexes.esp

114 72 CommonwealthChallenges.esp

115 73 LuckyYouPerk.esp

116 74 Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp

117 75 PowerArmorVoice1.esp

118 76 CHKFlora.esp

119 77 NEST_BUNKER_PROJECT.esp

120 78 BTInteriors_Project.esp

121 79 ImmersiveDrumlinDiner.esp

122 7a ImmersiveVendors.esp

123 7b LooksMenu.esp

124 7c SleepOrSave.esp

125 7d CTHColoredFriendliesSneakingAndWeaponDrawn.esp

126 7e BetterSettlers.esp

127 7f BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp

128 80 BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp

129 81 BetterSettlersFarHarborPatch.esp

130 82 SettlerRenaming-Indicators.esp

131 83 Companion Infinite Ammo and Unbreakable Power Armour.esp

132 84 VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp

133 85 Glowing Animals Emit Light.esp

134 86 DeathclawVariety.esp

135 87 Lots More Facial Hair.esp

136 88 Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp

137 89 Fr4nssonsLightTweaks.esp

138 8a MoreNoticeableHitEffect_Medium.esp

139 8b CartographersMapMarkers Commonwealth.esp

140 8c CartographersMapMarkers FarHarbor.esp

141 8d CartographersMapMarkers NukaWorld.esp

142 8e TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp

143 8f DarkerNights.esp

144 90 DarkerNightsDetection.esp

145 91 chem redux.esp

146 92 ColorfulSurvivalIcons.esp

147 93 Auto Hide Crosshair.esp

148 94 LongerPowerLines3x.esp

149 95 Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp

150 96 Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp

151 97 Quieter Settlements - Contraptions.esp

152 98 BrighterSettlementLights.esp

153 99 DD_Khassar_De_Templari_Increased_build.esp

154 9a mso_sms.esp

155 9b SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp

156 9c No more monochrome - Color setting for the Pipboy!.esp

157 9d ARWCSM - 2 - Full - Vanilla Weights.esp

158 9e ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion-VanillaWeight.esp

159 9f ValdacilsItemSorting-AidReducedWeight.esp

160 a0 ValdacilsItemSorting-JunkBetter.esp

161 a1 ValdacilsItemSorting-ModsWeightless.esp

162 a2 ValdacilsItemSorting-NotJunkJustMoney.esp

163 a3 VIS-PatchChemReduxWeightless.esp

164 a4 BTInteriors_Project_Sorting.esp

165 a5 M1Garand.esp

166 a6 HandmadeRevolver.esp

167 a7 OTs-02 Kiparis.esp

168 a8 mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp

169 a9 PlasmaArsenal_BMD.esp

170 aa PlasmaArsenal.esp

171 ab Binoculars.esp

172 ac DOOMRhino.esp

173 ad RangerSequoia.esp

174 ae Fireaxe.esp

175 af M14.esp

176 b0 StG44.esp

177 b1 CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp

178 b2 M1Garand - AWKCR-VIS.esp

179 b3 Yona_Weapon_DefenseGun.esp

180 b4 HandmadeRevolver - AWKCR-VIS.esp

181 b5 Weapon Conflict Winner.esp

182 b6 LrsamwaysExtendedPaints.esp

183 b7 EnclaveX02.esp

184 b8 Hermetic_PA.esp

185 b9 T-51C Power Armor.esp

186 ba tank_PA.esp

187 bb tumbajamba Advanced Engineering.esp

188 bc tank_PA - tAE - AWKCR.esp

189 bd DX Adventurer Outfit.esp

190 be GlovesOfTheCommonwealth.esp

191 bf WastelandFashion.esp

192 c0 Dogmeat's Backpack.esp

193 c1 WestTekTacticalOptics.esp

194 c2 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp

195 c3 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Ballistic Weave.esp

196 c4 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp

197 c5 ARWCSM - AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Patch.esp

198 c6 LoreFriendlySurvivalChemsVIS.esp

199 c7 Logical Recipes.esp

200 c8 CraftableCookingOil.esp

201 c9 ChoiceChopped.esp

202 ca ChoiceChopped VIS patch.esp

203 cb ChemsPlus.esp

204 cc Craftable Animal Glue - Adhesive Recipes.esp

205 cd MojaveImports.esp

206 ce FunctionalDisplays-AID-VIS-WI.esp

207 cf MojaveImports_ChemsPlusCompatibilityPatch.esp

208 d0 autoweapons.esp

209 d1 Extended weapon mods.esp

210 d2 ExtraLongBarrels.esp

211 d3 3dscopes.esp

212 d4 3dscopes-AddToSpawnList.esp

213 d5 3dscopes-framework.esp

214 d6 3dscopes-m14addon.esp

215 d7 3dscopes-FarHarbor.esp

216 d8 3dscopes-NukaWorld.esp

217 d9 FALLOUT4WT.esp

218 da Craftable Armor Size.esp

219 db Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp

220 dc Automatron Helmets Fix.esp

221 dd Armorsmith Extended.esp

222 de Survivalist Go-Bags_AE_AWKCR.esp

223 df Mercenary.esp

224 e0 TNR Shoulder Lamp.esp

225 e1 TNR Shoulder Lamp - Settings.esp

226 e2 TNR Shoulder Lamp - Alternate Slot.esp

227 e3 Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp

228 e4 StabilizationGauntlets.esp

229 e5 DLC01StabilizationGauntlets.esp

230 e6 More Power Armour Mods.esp

231 e7 More Power Armour Mods - Automatron.esp

232 e8 More Power Armour Mods - X-02.esp

233 e9 Assaultron PowerArmor DLC Edition.esp

234 ea CMPA +150.esp

235 eb RaiderPAChopShop.esp

236 ec Tesla X01.esp

237 ed Dynamic Music Overhaul.esp

238 ee OWR.esp

239 ef SatelliteWorldMap.esp

[AGreatWeight]

I'm far from an expert on load orders, but I can tell you that VotWGeneralPurposePatch.esp should be last in your load order (to stop any mods that alter vanilla workshop records from messing VotW up)

Edited January 25, 2017 by AGreatWeight

[liridonx92]

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Edited October 23, 2017 by liridonx92

[damanding]

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~ Sorry didnt read all of your post ~

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We can tell, because OP already said they used Loot.

 

(Changes to snip and emphasis in quote mine).

[damanding]

Loot can't always fix the problem of mods that conflict. I see several mods on there related to chems and food items for instance that I would not be the least bit surprised to find out hard conflict. I personally break down mod conflicts into two kinds, hard and soft. Soft conflicts can be dealt with by load order, whichever mod loads last wins. Hard conflicts must be fixed by creating a merged patch. You're going to need to load your mods with FO4Edit and see where your conflicts are. http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Merging_Plugins

[xMooCowManx]

Weirdly enough, the issue with the food stats fixed itself somehow even though I changed nothing.

 

 

I'm far from an expert on load orders, but I can tell you that VotWGeneralPurposePatch.esp should be last in your load order (to stop any mods that alter vanilla workshop records from messing VotW up)

 

Fixed, thanks!

 

Loot can't always fix the problem of mods that conflict. I see several mods on there related to chems and food items for instance that I would not be the least bit surprised to find out hard conflict. I personally break down mod conflicts into two kinds, hard and soft. Soft conflicts can be dealt with by load order, whichever mod loads last wins. Hard conflicts must be fixed by creating a merged patch. You're going to need to load your mods with FO4Edit and see where your conflicts are. http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Merging_Plugins

 

I did this for conflicting level lists for weapons, so I'll try to give it a go for other conflicts. Although, these patches should probably be at the bottom of the load order, correct? Meaning I should probably put my weapon level list merge ("Weapon Conflict Winner") at the bottom?

[damanding]

Strictly speaking I think it only matters that they come after the mods they are patching.