Oldrim Endorsement counts for SSE ported mods

[Nurselord]

This occurred to me today, as I was searching through for a Mage armor mod:

 

It would be pretty useful to be able to see/sort SSE mods by their Oldrim endorsements.

 

Of course the rules for that would need to be something like:

• It is a direct port of an Oldrim mod
• It was placed by the same author as the Oldrim mod

I definitely do my due diligence to endorse mods I use, but there's such a wealth of information for Oldrim mods that I think is directly relevant when the SSE mod is the exact same one, just redone (and to the awesome modders, I in no way undervalue the amount of work it takes to be "just redone").

 

I'm not much of a forum type guy, and I have ADD; meaning there's a chance I'll post this and another shiny object will catch my attention, and I'll just cross my fingers I'll be searching for a mod one day and see it works this way.

 

Also, apologies if this has been hashed out, I couldn't find anything using the search terms I could think of for this type of topic.

[cdcooley]

I don't think it's been discussed in the main forums, but this was debated in the Mod Authors section.

 

After a lot of thought we finally decided that it would be better to let the SE version of mods develop their own reputations.

[Moksha8088]

It was fun seeing Inigo win File of the Month all over again. Vilja almost did a repeat if that mod had not been released at the very tail end of the month. Guess which mod will win when SKSE64 is released....

[Nurselord]

Thanks cdcooley!

 

If it was thought about and consensus is what it is, that's all I can ask. I'll just have to get past my conservative nature of wanting a lot of other people to have tried and liked a mod first.

 

It's weird, I'm typically an early adopter with other stuff, but for some reason I'm gunshy on mods with not very many endorsements. I realize that behavior in myself and others likely leads to a weird circle of the most endorsed mods always being the most endorsed mods though.

[skubblebubble]

heh. watch the numbers when CBBE comes out as well. :P

[cdcooley]

It's weird, I'm typically an early adopter with other stuff, but for some reason I'm gunshy on mods with not very many endorsements. I realize that behavior in myself and others likely leads to a weird circle of the most endorsed mods always being the most endorsed mods though.

That "network effect" problem of everyone wanting to only use the ones that are already most popular was the major consideration. Another was a fear that an old, poorly designed mod or just one that was ported badly would get an undeserved positive reputation purely because the original version used to be popular. There are a number of old mods that aren't very good and yet because they were popular first newer and better alternatives are ignored by many. (I won't name any specifics to avoid the inevitable flame wars from such discussions.)

[Nurselord]

I very much see your point on that last bit.

 

I was once very involved in a recommender engine project in which I kept pointing out that if the recommender engine is based on usage of the things it recommends, it will always recommend the same things and new items can never get recommended...

 

I'm dabbling at a first mod now, and learning some things about what I should look for in a mod vs. just looking at recommendations. It will be fun to see how I feel about using recommendations to pick mods in a couple months. (I suspect I will take them with much more of a grain of salt.)

[Lisselli]

 

It's weird, I'm typically an early adopter with other stuff, but for some reason I'm gunshy on mods with not very many endorsements. I realize that behavior in myself and others likely leads to a weird circle of the most endorsed mods always being the most endorsed mods though.

And that there is why I'm so hesitant to release anything I've done so far. If it doesn't get 100 endorsements in 5 min after release(like most), no one is going to look it at or think it's not good. I've seen many many mods get auto-ignored like this.

 

I know you're supposed to mod your game out of your own enjoyment, but I want to share too. However, spending days on a mod that no one is going to bother with because some texture or follower mod came out and nabbed 500 endorsements, thereby labeling mine as "something is up with his, he doesn't have 10 endorsements after 10 hours o_o". Then why bother?

 

Then you got those people who come into your mod page to direct others to another mod(I call this cross mod advertising which is very rude imo), even more so if there a mod that does 'something similar'.

 

There is also the pit called "Search by endorsement". Meaning the top 10 or whatever is also going to be checked out. Long forgotten ones.. stay forgotten.

Before someone says "endorsements aren't everything", well it's the only way to get exposure to your mod.

 

Yes there are some bad mods out there, but I have used some very good ones that were no where near popular.

 

So basically, if it's not a texture mod, a body mod, a piece of armor, etc, follower mod, or something that is not HUGE in content, you're out of luck. And while you want get like any endorsements, you'll get discouraging comments, etc.

 

Wow this has made me quite bitter.

Edited January 28, 2017 by Lisselli

[cdcooley]

And that there is why I'm so hesitant to release anything I've done so far.

 

I know you're supposed to mod your game out of your own enjoyment, but I want to share too.

Go ahead and release your mods. If it's useful to you it will probably be useful to someone else. Even if it's only a few other people, that's a few that you've made happy.

 

If you're simply sharing what you wrote for yourself (rather than trying to mod to become famous) it's actually better if your mods aren't very popular. Less popular mods mostly get ignored by the trolls and other Internet low-life. And you can always report those people obnoxious enough to advertise other mods on your mod page. (That's against the rules here in addition to just being rude.)

 

Those who search only for the popular mods are only hurting themselves.