Issue with beards.

[Prokoh]

Hello, any help/insight on this issue would be greatly appreciated. I'm going insane trying to figure out what's causing this and how to fix it.

 

Basically, the section of beard by the right ear on my male characters (sideburn you'd call it, I guess) is detached and protruding from the side of their faces. I first noticed it in Oldrim, and when I launched SE, surprise, I had the same problem. I've linked two screenshots showing this here: http://imgur.com/23P0sQ2 and http://imgur.com/oqdGmKA (sorry for the poor quality/low lighting.) Those two screenshots are from SE.

 

At first I thought it might be the beards mod I'm using causing it, but it's doing it with vanilla beards too. So I uninstalled Faces - YoungerFacesMergedWithMenByGeonox, but the problem still persists. I've uninstalled countless mods that have anything to do with meshes/textures, and this problem still remains. I went into Oldrim and got a screenshot from sculpt in Racemenu that better shows the problem, which you can view here: http://imgur.com/IvHcsD0

 

As you can see, the section of the face I'm referring to is protruding in the sculpt tool. If I take the beard away, it goes away.

 

It's not a game breaking issue, buuuuut it's driving me insane and it looks stupid. I'm guessing it's a headmesh issue, but it's only happening when I apply a beard that covers the whole face, and it's happening in both games. I don't know what caused it or how to fix it.

 

Both Oldrim and SE are pathed to D:\Programs\Steam\steamapps\common (I have an SSD drive for windows, it doesn't have a lot of space so I put my most of my games on the D drive)

 

I run both games on ultra with no issues.

 

Computer specs:

I'm using an Alienware 17 R3 laptop.

Processor: Intel® Core i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz (8 CPUs), ~2.6GHz

Memory: 16384MB RAM

Graphics card: GeForce GTX 970M, with an integrated Intel® HD Graphics 530 but both Skyrim's run off the Nvidia

Graphics card ram: 3.0

 

Both games are fully updated, both have every DLC. My Oldrim has the latest SKSE. I use NMM to install mods, and LOOT to sort load order. I've cleaned all master files.

 

Here are my load orders for both games:

 

Oldrim:

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 EFFCore.esm
7 7 ApachiiHair.esm
8 8 ApachiiHairFemales.esm
9 9 ApachiiHairMales.esm
10 a Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
11 b SkyUI.esp
12 c Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
13 d dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
14 e dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
15 f WetandCold.esp
16 10 VioLens.esp
17 11 FNIS.esp
18 12 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
19 13 EFFDialogue.esp
20 14 UIExtensions.esp
21 15 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
22 16 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
23 17 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
24 18 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
25 19 SMIM-Merged-All.esp
26 1a Immersive Patrols II.esp
27 1b Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
28 1c 1nivWICCloaks.esp
29 1d BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
30 1e Unique Uniques.esp
31 1f Brows.esp
32 20 SimplyKnock.esp
33 21 Babette.esp
34 22 Better Vampires.esp
35 23 KS Hairdo's.esp
36 24 GoToBed.esp
37 25 Mighty Beasts - Werewolf.esp
38 26 NPC_Overhaul_V_1_.esp
39 27 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
40 28 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp
41 29 RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp
42 2a Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
43 2b Real Feeding V3.esp
44 2c Predator Vision.esp
45 2d BloodmoonRising.esp
46 2e dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
47 2f No More Standing Too Close to NPCs.esp
48 30 iNeed.esp
49 31 Equipping Overhaul.esp
50 32 Vivid Weathers.esp
51 33 WetandCold - Ashes.esp
52 34 Vivid Weathers - Extended Snow.esp
53 35 Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp
54 36 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
55 37 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
56 38 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
57 39 SPOAsilverknight.esp
58 3a SPOA_shield.esp
59 3b revamped_ahtar.esp
60 3c Vaendral.esp
61 3d SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp
62 3e Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
63 3f Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
64 40 Sundys_Male_Presets.esp
65 41 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
66 42 Beards.esp
67 43 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
68 44 XPMSE.esp
69 45 SOSRaceMenu.esp
70 46 RaceMenu.esp
71 47 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
72 48 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
73 49 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
74 4a RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
75 4b RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
76 4c RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp
77 4d ELFXEnhancer.esp
78 4e Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

 

 

SE:

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 Hearthfires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 ApachiiHairFemales.esm
6 6 RSkyrimChildren.esm
7 7 ApachiiHairMales.esm
8 8 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
9 9 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
10 a Better_Male_Presets.esp
11 b True Eyes SE.esp
12 c dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
13 d dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
14 e VioLens SE.esp
15 f dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
16 10 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
17 11 KS_Hairdo's_Lite.esp
18 12 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
19 13 Unique Uniques.esp
20 14 RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp
21 15 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
22 16 FNIS.esp
23 17 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
24 18 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
25 19 iNeed.esp
26 1a iNeed - Extended.esp
27 1b Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
28 1c SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
29 1d Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
30 1e JobsofSkyrim.esp
31 1f VioLens SE - Book Menu.esp
32 20 Inigo.esp
33 21 Vivid WeathersSE.esp
34 22 LakeHaven.esp
35 23 Immersive Patrols II.esp
36 24 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
37 25 FlowerGirls SE.esp
38 26 No More Standing Too Close SSE 1-0.esp
39 27 Visible Favorited Gear.esp
40 28 XPMSE.esp
41 29 Beards.esp
42 2a ForgottenCity.esp
43 2b The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
44 2c Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
45 2d TrueBrows.esp
46 2e CaesiaFollower.esp
47 2f Relic Hunter Triss.esp
48 30 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
49 31 BosmerElderShadowArmor.esp
50 32 Predator Vision.esp
51 33 Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
52 34 Gemma.esp
53 35 WestWindAssault.esp
54 36 RSChildren - Complete.esp
55 37 RSChildren_PatchUSSEP.esp
56 38 Dog Followers are Huskies.esp
57 39 SmartNoMoreStupidDog.esp
58 3a Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
59 3b RM_NobleHealerRobes.esp
60 3c Apocalypse - Cheat Chests.esp
61 3d WetandCold.esp
62 3e MaleClericArmorHeavy.esp
63 3f MaleClericArmorLight.esp
64 40 MaleClericArmorCloth.esp
65 41 EC Clothes.esp
66 42 imp_helm_legend.esp
67 43 Nightingale_Armor_DaedricImprovable.esp
68 44 Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp
69 45 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
70 46 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
71 47 RealisticWaterTwo - iNeed.esp
72 48 ELFXEnhancer.esp
73 49 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
74 4a Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
75 4b RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
76 4c RDO - USSEP Patch.esp

 

 

Since this is happening in both games it must either be caused by a mod I'm using in both, or, it's a hardware/software issue. But I don't know nearly enough about computers to even begin to comprehend how hardware or software would cause this, so if anyone can provide any insight I will be so extremely grateful.

[snelss0]

Generally listing out your load order will not show us the texture/mesh files you are using to properly diagnose your problem because they don't have .esps. You may want to post your modlist, not load order.

 

You may want in the future to move the end of your load order to this:

FNIS

[Animations]

XPMSE

Alternate Start

[anything loot places after]

 

It seems to work better.

[Prokoh]

Thanks for your reply. That makes sense, I should have thought of that before posting. Could you tell me the best way to find my mod list? Is this something I can get through NMM or LOOT?

 

In the meantime, I can list what I have in the NMM categories of "Hair and face models" and "Models and textures" and put them in a cut below.

 

 

 

ApachiiSkyHair - ApachiiSkyHair_v_1_6_Full

ApachiiSkyHair - ApachiiSkyHairFemale_v_1_5

ApachiiSkyHair - ApachiiSkyHairMale_v_1_2

Beards - Beards - 2K Resolution

Better Male Presets - Better Male Presets 1_3

Brows - Brows - High Resolution

KS Hairdos - Renewal - KS Hairdos Renewal

The Eyes Of Beauty - Eye of Beauty NPC eyes texture replacer

The Eyes Of Beauty - The Eyes Of Beauty Dawnguard Update

The Eyes Of Beauty - The Eyes Of Beauty PLAYER

Better males - Beautiful nudes and faces - New hairstyles - Faces - YoungerFacesMergedWithMenByGeonox

DIMONIZED UNP female body - DIMface2

DIMONIZED UNP female body - UNP BASE Main body V1dot2

LeanWolf's Better-Shaped Weapons - All in One Installer

Skyrim HD - 2K Textures - COMPLETE FULL

Static Mesh Improvement Mod

Ultimate HD Fire Effects - Ultimate HD Fire Effects -Medium Resolution-

SOS - Schlongs of Skyrim - 3.00.004

Enhanced Blood Textures

 

 

 

I'm fairly certain those are the only mods I have that make any changes to the textures and meshes of the player character.

 

Thank you for the load order advice as well.

[snelss0]

You've tested this on a new game? If so, you may want to perform a clean install to make sure there are no lingering files from old mods you've used. https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/906390-cleaning-skyrim-for-fresh-install/

 

Once done, reclean your files, reload skyrim so it detects your hardware, and then one by one reinstall your mods until perhaps you can recreate this issue. Then you'll identify the target.

[Prokoh]

Starting a new game was how I originally discovered this. It's appearing in both new games and old saves.

 

Since I don't have any saves worth keeping in Oldrim, I actually attempted a reinstall last night. I only installed alternate start to skip the intro, and the problem was still there. However, there are two folders in the link you posted that I didn't realize I should delete, so I'll do that when I get home from work, but I have low expectations that that will solve it.

 

Do you think this could be something caused by my graphics card or driver? I'm trying to figure out how that could alter a mesh, but I'm totally stupid with that stuff.

 

Oh! I should also mention that in the sculpt tool in RaceMenu I can actually smooth out the mesh glitch, so for whatever reason the mesh is screwed up but can be altered. So that's a work around in Oldrim. Obviously I can't do this in SE though since there's no RaceMenu, so I'm still beating my head against a wall trying to figure this out.

[snelss0]

lol, that's a really weird issue. I have no idea beyond this. Hopefully someone else can help. Hopefully deleting the other two files will help

[Prokoh]

Thanks for your help! I fear this issue may be unresolvable since there doesn't seem to be any reason for it to be happening. I'll have to just deal with it for now and fix it in Racemenu, and hopefully RaceMenu for SE will be out soon.

 

If anyone else sees this and has any ideas, do let me know!