Prostitution; your thoughts

[hundinman]

I don't care if you think its right or good for society. The decision isn't yours to make. And how would contributing to this "sex-filled world" be a bad thing? I present this challenge: give me any argument against casual sex between two (or more) consenting adults that isn't based on your personal morals. Sure, you might not like it, and might never do it yourself, but tell me why you think you have the right to force that belief on anyone else.

Ok so why do you have to legalise prostitution. You can have casual sex without any money or business in it can't you. Are you saying its all right to sell your body? And tell me when have I said it isn't acceptable to have sex? Im saying that it is not acceptable to me, to have sex only beacause of the money. Sex shouldn't be like that, but this is my opinion and you are right I have no right to force that belief to anyone. BTW when have I said such a thing?

That makes zero sense, not everyone can have the 'casual sex' you mention, many people are too shy and/or not blessed with superb looks to have that. These, (and others who are in it for the thrill) may seek out prostitutes, which atm contains possibilities of catching a disease, as well as supporting the black market trade.

 

Simply put - what do you gain by having it illegal, it doesn't stop prostitution, it just makes it an object of thrill, something exciting - as well as supporting modern slavery and various other problems.

 

It's always there - whatever you do the simple fact is there will always be prostitution. Now look at it legalized, controlled by the goverment and following regulations. Suddenly those who choose to become prostitutes (or are forced to do so) are protected by law from those who would abuse them, they and the ones with them who in many cases may not be getting any sex any other way avoid the risk of diseases. You don't really lose in any possible way of looking at it except in some personal way.

 

As to the 'You're saying it's all right to sell your body?', the answer is yes. It's my body, it's their body, it belongs to me and only me - why can't I or they choose to sell it if I wish? Who are YOU to say I and they can't?

Albareth,

 

just a qustion no offense meant whatsoever.

 

Are you a prostute?

 

I was just wondering because you were saying "they can't say I can't sell my body" (paraphrase)

 

well, don't be mad I am just curious because you were so protective of prostitutes and their rights to sell their bodies.

[Breton Thief Oriana]

( ^ ot, i think that sort of misses the point)

 

now then...the way things are going, everybody loses except the underworld leaders. like it was in my city, new orleans. the red light district was canal street, and everyone, even the cops were in on it. it took millions of dollars to have the entire head of the racket gone. alot of people died over the ordeal. is that what you want? is prostitution so immoral that people who exist in its world need to die for things to be your way and it to stop completely? the vice cops were corrupted even, they made a buck for it to keep hapening. well, now its gone, and everyone who didnt like it got their way. but now its all gone, its a perfect little world, and even though you cant see it, you know its still there- you know the cops are still on the take, you know that murders occur every day over it, you know the system still is trying to block all of it unsuccessfully....and yet you sleep easier knowing that a difference is made, because eventually there arent going to be any hookers left. theyll all be DEAD.

[ohGr]

I was just wondering because you were saying "they can't say I can't sell my body" (paraphrase)

...your way off, he meant that everyone should have their own choices, if they want to get payed around $100 for a quickie (from what i heard) then thats their choice, its their body its their choice.

 

where did you get that impression :blink:

[Tinduriel]

Please people stop putting words in my mouth. Never have I said "I have the right to force my own opinion to someone!" or "I have the right to tell people if they can or can't sell their bodyes."

 

And are you Albareth saying that what you can't have by nature right now you should be able to buy it. OMG. What about the unhappy ones in some third world(sp?) country who doesn't have the money to get a prostitute.

 

Do you people think sex is the same thing with someone you know or even love, than with someone who is doing it only because you are paying him/her? And again im only asking this. I'm not saying anything about my personal opinion.

 

If it isn't then wouldn't it be just cheating the customers with false products. If the customer is looking something special and something longterm, he/she is not gettin it. (Please correct me if Im wrong, I don't have any experiense in this area)

 

Only good thing (depents on your POV on sex) from legalising prostitution would be that it would be under the law and more safer than it is now. And that is a really good thing, we could get those out of the busness that are forced in it and etc.

 

Imagine a world where dad and son goes to a good brothel around the corner instead of a football game. Isn't it legal in some countries to have sex with older than 16-years-old? In that (maybe the worst-case scenario) the concept of sex would be completely different than it is now, at least for me. Again in my opinion (and no im not forcing it to anyone im just merely stating it, like everyone else here) that would not be a world I'd like to live in. And still I could be living in that kind of world. If I can change it I sure want to try.

[Zmid]

And are you Albareth saying that what you can't have by nature right now you should be able to buy it. OMG. What about the unhappy ones in some third world(sp?) country who doesn't have the money to get a prostitute.

Maybe I'm totally missing your point here, but, by the same argument, if people in the Third World don't have enough money to buy food to eat, we shouldn't buy food ourselves. If people in the Third World don't have enough money to buy seed to grow food, we shouldn't do that. If people in the Third World don't have enough money to buy PCs, we wouldn't even be having this debate, because we shouldn't have bought PCs. Quite frankly, to me, this argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

The other point is that, if you take the meaning of the phrase absolutely literally, if we only accepted what we can have 'by nature', Mankind would still be little more than apes, living naked in natural caves, hunting for food, killing it with bare hands and eating it raw.

 

Do you people think sex is the same thing with someone you know or even love, than with someone who is doing it only because you are paying him/her? And again im only asking this. I'm not saying anything about my personal opinion.

 

If it isn't then wouldn't it be just cheating the customers with false products. If the customer is looking something special and something longterm, he/she is not gettin it. (Please correct me if Im wrong, I don't have any experiense in this area)

 

If a customer buys sex from a prostitute and looks for a long-term relationship, then, quite frankly, they have no knowledge of the meaning of the word 'prostitute'. A prostitute does not have sex with a customer because they love them, they have sex because they are getting paid to do so. Anyone who thinks differently is incredibly naive.

 

Only good thing (depents on your POV on sex) from legalising prostitution would be that it would be under the law and more safer than it is now. And that is a really good thing, we could get those out of the busness that are forced in it and etc.

 

Exactly.

 

Imagine a world where dad and son goes to a good brothel around the corner instead of a football game.

 

I doubt that would happen unless there was some radical changes in the way most sons regard their fathers. Come to think of it, even if this did happen, so what? It's their choice, not anyone else's.

 

Isn't it legal in some countries to have sex with older than 16-years-old? In that (maybe the worst-case scenario) the concept of sex would be completely different than it is now, at least for me.

 

I'm not entirely certain what your point is here. Are you saying that 16 years old is too young for sexual responsibility? If you are saying this, you describe it as 'maybe the worst case scenario'. Well, I am living in this 'worst case scenario', and I am seeing and experiencing no problem.

 

Again in my opinion (and no im not forcing it to anyone im just merely stating it, like everyone else here) that would not be a world I'd like to live in. And still I could be living in that kind of world. If I can change it I sure want to try.

 

To be honest, it sounds to me as if you would be perfectly at home in Britain - as it was in Victorian times, where sexuality was repressed and anything remotely sexual was severely frowned upon.

[Albareth]

First, before I reply to you Tinduriel... Hundinman: No, I am not a prostitute, but IF I'd want to offer sex for payment, that should be my right - as it is their right to seek it or not.

 

And are you Albareth saying that what you can't have by nature right now you should be able to buy it. OMG. What about the unhappy ones in some third world(sp?) country who doesn't have the money to get a prostitute.

 

No, I'm saying your argument that it's wrong because people can get casual sex anyway is null - not everyone is in a situation where that's possible. Didn't say anything about everyone having some right to be able to - that's nonesense, I just said not everyone can just go out, find a party, hook up with some girl/boy and go have some luvin'.

 

What you are referring to was merely said to point out that that idea is ludicrous, that's aimed at a very narrow point of view, a small portion of a small portion of the world could do that.

 

Do you people think sex is the same thing with someone you know or even love, than with someone who is doing it only because you are paying him/her? And again im only asking this. I'm not saying anything about my personal opinion.

 

No, I don't - I'd never make use of a brothel, but you're way overreacting here, nobody is trying to "replace" love and sex between lovers, it's just a simple solution how to regulate what's going to happen anyway, and stop black market trade that goes with it and will continue to do so until that comes about.

 

If it isn't then wouldn't it be just cheating the customers with false products. If the customer is looking something special and something longterm, he/she is not gettin it. (Please correct me if Im wrong, I don't have any experiense in this area)

 

No - if the customer wants casual sex for payment for whatever reason, that's what he wants. Until you legalize this and get this under controls and regulations you'll have all kinds of nutcases who may precisely think that, that the prostitute should love them, etc. With regulations and control over the situation you can stop things like that. It is simply what it is, a (wo)man paying to get sexual release with a (wo)man who gets paid to do it. With legalization you can put an end to the "white slave market" of young women, often UNDERAGE women, being made virtual sex slaves with pimps who get the money.

 

Again - I'm not saying this may be perfect, but you rid yourself of 95% of the worst problems that follow this industry, and I can see no clear negative side to legalization.

 

Only good thing (depents on your POV on sex) from legalising prostitution would be that it would be under the law and more safer than it is now. And that is a really good thing, we could get those out of the busness that are forced in it and etc.

 

Indeed, precisely my point, and there is no 'only' about that, it's a very real problem that we need to get rid of asap if we hope to call ourselves civilized at some point in time.

 

Imagine a world where dad and son goes to a good brothel around the corner instead of a football game. Isn't it legal in some countries to have sex with older than 16-years-old? In that (maybe the worst-case scenario) the concept of sex would be completely different than it is now, at least for me. Again in my opinion (and no im not forcing it to anyone im just merely stating it, like everyone else here) that would not be a world I'd like to live in. And still I could be living in that kind of world. If I can change it I sure want to try.

 

Society doesn't take well to changes - brothels will always, or at least for a very very long time, be frowned upon, so I doubt sincerely trips to the brothel will become a national sport. The reason a lot of men and women seek this is the excitement, it's taboo - well legalize it and it isn't so exciting anymore. It becomes what it is - paying a woman or man to have sex with you, and most people will see how lowly having to do that is.

 

If you want to stop sex with 16 year olds, and younger still - stop the sex slave market, legalize prostitution. It holds the answer to 95% of your problems!

[Tinduriel]

Well I guess you are right then. Or atleast you convinced me. But somehow I don't feel that legalising prostitution would be a good thing. Still there are pretty many good things that might come from it. Ofcourse it would take some money to organise prostitution and to have some kind of control over it, so would it mean increase in taxes. Well it would be for a good cause, to stop the whiteslave market etc.

 

Yeah and forget about that third world country argument I had just woken up and wasn't thinking straight when i wrote that. :oops:

[Albareth]

Wouldn't worry about taxes though - knowing the goverments they'd probably tax the brothels to death to come out in profit from the whole thing... ;)

[Zmid]

Well I guess you are right then. Or atleast you convinced me. But somehow I don't feel that legalising prostitution would be a good thing. Still there are pretty many good things that might come from it. Ofcourse it would take some money to organise prostitution and to have some kind of control over it, so would it mean increase in taxes. Well it would be for a good cause, to stop the whiteslave market etc.

I would agree with you there - legalising prostitution is not the perfect solution, but it's a whole lot better than the alternatives.

 

Yeah and forget about that third world country argument I had just woken up and wasn't thinking straight when i wrote that. :oops:

 

Hey, no problem - I've been like that sometimes. :D

[Albareth]

By the way Tinduriel - I'd like to mention especially that what you did in this post is something I admire especially. You're like the.... second, or third - person that I've ever heard admit he was perhaps wrong and reconsider after debating. I've done it twice myself through my debating over various boards... it's an amazingly rare ability in people, to recognize you aren't always right. Good to see it isn't lost here... ;)