chanchan05 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Empire is incompetent. How the hell empire lost the great war at first place, when hammerfell was able to drive out the Aldmeri Dominion as a independent state after the great war. (Yes, Skyrim is not the first state want to be independent) Just how corruptive the empire become! Stormcloacks at least fight for what they believe. They are no more racism than any other race in this game. And for people believe united empire might have better chance against Aldmeri Dominion, well that is not the case here, since empire is the pig, it eat your food and do nothing. Because Hammerfell was fighting an Almeri army severely decimated by the wars with the empire. The empire actually destroyed the standing army of the Dominion, but the Empire itself was too damaged land-wise that there were not enough resources to support the army. Remember that the Aldmeri were able to sack the Imperial City. So they sued for peace and let the Redguards go to defend themselves against a highly arrogant force which tried to take over Hammerfell territory even if they had no standing army left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babis8142 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Stormcloaks. The empire tried to kill me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribblesix Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Because Hammerfell was fighting an Almeri army severely decimated by the wars with the empire. The empire actually destroyed the standing army of the Dominion, but the Empire itself was too damaged land-wise that there were not enough resources to support the army. Remember that the Aldmeri were able to sack the Imperial City. So they sued for peace and let the Redguards go to defend themselves against a highly arrogant force which tried to take over Hammerfell territory even if they had no standing army left. Doesn't that support the stormcloaks cause? If the elves are too weak to take hammerfell they are too weak to take Skyrim(unlike the with the empire/hammerfell they don't share a border so would have to invade by sea this is almost always unsuccessful. They could hardly march through the Empire (the empire could turn on them and without supply lines their army would be wiped out) So essentially you have a choice between a thalmor controlled empire province and a thalmor neutral skyrim. If there was an option to unite the two sides, kill the principles and in turn set out to liberate the empire, that would be preferable, but it's not there so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanchan05 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Because Hammerfell was fighting an Almeri army severely decimated by the wars with the empire. The empire actually destroyed the standing army of the Dominion, but the Empire itself was too damaged land-wise that there were not enough resources to support the army. Remember that the Aldmeri were able to sack the Imperial City. So they sued for peace and let the Redguards go to defend themselves against a highly arrogant force which tried to take over Hammerfell territory even if they had no standing army left. Doesn't that support the stormcloaks cause? If the elves are too weak to take hammerfell they are too weak to take Skyrim(unlike the with the empire/hammerfell they don't share a border so would have to invade by sea this is almost always unsuccessful. They could hardly march through the Empire (the empire could turn on them and without supply lines their army would be wiped out) So essentially you have a choice between a thalmor controlled empire province and a thalmor neutral skyrim. If there was an option to unite the two sides, kill the principles and in turn set out to liberate the empire, that would be preferable, but it's not there so... 1. The Thalmor likes the war Ulfric made in Skyrim. It essentially prevents the Empire from recovering, and splits the army into two, a part in Skyrim and a part in the border with the Dominion. The Empire thus cannot attack the Aldmeri because its standing army is torn 3 ways -> Nords divided between legion and stormloack, soldiers stationed in skyrim, and soldiers at the border. 2. Siding with the Empire effectively eradicates the need for a large standing force of imperial soldiers in Skyrim, so they can send much of the army back to the Aldmeri Dominion. If the new emperor has enough guts, he'll rally the Bretons and Skyrim to make war with the Aldmeri. Even those who weren't soldiers before would join due to the Thalmor oppression. Humans breed like rabbits compared to elves who breed slower, so the human army would have recovered more than the Aldmeri. 3. Basically the choice is breaking the Empire for each province to stand for themselves, which may or may not be applicable (however against a fully recovered Dominion, the provinces can't stand alone), or help unite the Empire, and be strong enough to destroy the Domnion NOW, provided of course on the Emperor's wishes. Remember, if the Stormcloaks win Skyrim, you could be looking at the combined forces of the Aldmeri Dominion and the Cyrodiilic Empire to go up against. The Aldmeri will retaliate for the destruction of their Embassy and their fort, and the Empire will of course try to take the land back. That's something I don't think even a Dragonborn led Nord army will be able to stand up against: The combined forces of Elves, Khajiit and two races of Men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worldofscotty Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Solitude is awesome. Thats why Imperials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribblesix Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Because Hammerfell was fighting an Almeri army severely decimated by the wars with the empire. The empire actually destroyed the standing army of the Dominion, but the Empire itself was too damaged land-wise that there were not enough resources to support the army. Remember that the Aldmeri were able to sack the Imperial City. So they sued for peace and let the Redguards go to defend themselves against a highly arrogant force which tried to take over Hammerfell territory even if they had no standing army left. Doesn't that support the stormcloaks cause? If the elves are too weak to take hammerfell they are too weak to take Skyrim(unlike the with the empire/hammerfell they don't share a border so would have to invade by sea this is almost always unsuccessful. They could hardly march through the Empire (the empire could turn on them and without supply lines their army would be wiped out) So essentially you have a choice between a thalmor controlled empire province and a thalmor neutral skyrim. If there was an option to unite the two sides, kill the principles and in turn set out to liberate the empire, that would be preferable, but it's not there so... 1. The Thalmor likes the war Ulfric made in Skyrim. It essentially prevents the Empire from recovering, and splits the army into two, a part in Skyrim and a part in the border with the Dominion. The Empire thus cannot attack the Aldmeri because its standing army is torn 3 ways -> Nords divided between legion and stormloack, soldiers stationed in skyrim, and soldiers at the border. 2. Siding with the Empire effectively eradicates the need for a large standing force of imperial soldiers in Skyrim, so they can send much of the army back to the Aldmeri Dominion. If the new emperor has enough guts, he'll rally the Bretons and Skyrim to make war with the Aldmeri. Even those who weren't soldiers before would join due to the Thalmor oppression. Humans breed like rabbits compared to elves who breed slower, so the human army would have recovered more than the Aldmeri. 3. Basically the choice is breaking the Empire for each province to stand for themselves, which may or may not be applicable (however against a fully recovered Dominion, the provinces can't stand alone), or help unite the Empire, and be strong enough to destroy the Domnion NOW, provided of course on the Emperor's wishes. Remember, if the Stormcloaks win Skyrim, you could be looking at the combined forces of the Aldmeri Dominion and the Cyrodiilic Empire to go up against. The Aldmeri will retaliate for the destruction of their Embassy and their fort, and the Empire will of course try to take the land back. That's something I don't think even a Dragonborn led Nord army will be able to stand up against: The combined forces of Elves, Khajiit and two races of Men. Well. assuming we're still applying real world logic here... no. The Almeri cannot invade skyrim as they don't share a border with it; they would have to march through the empire. The empire still faces an existential threat (the Almeri) who are one assumes massively unpopular with the local populance. So assuming a Nord victory you have three scenarios. 1) as before but Skyrim is independent. the elves sit back to lick their wounds (don't forget they have a much lower birthrate so the losses incurred in the last hundred years take centuries, not decades to counter) the Empire continues to disintegrate. 2) The Thalmor assume control of the Empires ruling apparatus and the empire goes to war with Skyrim. The nods probably lose the empire is weakened and brought fully under the control of the Almeri for the next few decades at least. 3) The Almeri attack through the empire and loose horribly, the empire declares war, the Almeri expeditionary force is annihilated and the WhiteGold concord is renounced. Cold war resumes no side is strong enough to attack the other, skyrim empire alliance. Why would the empire ally with the Almeri to retake Skyrim, they have nothing in particular to gain and a lot to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RitchieTheMerc Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 For me, I choose both sides on two different playthroughs. Reasons- Imperials - More powerful army, they sort of have the Aldemeri Deminion on their side, they also have the funding of the freakin' Emperor. Stormcloaks - They fight for the Nords of Skyrim, they're badass, they aren't as cowardly as the Imperials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KniaTheHuntress Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Ok, the reason I sided with the Empire, is because Ulfric Stormcloak is a lying worm. He's not doing all of this for the good of his people or because he wants Talos worship to be allowed again. The real reason is back when the Empire went to war against the Aldari Dominion he was captured and sold out state secrets while their prisoner. And then later on he started the civil war on threat by the Dominion or they'd reveal what he did to the world. They wanted the Civil War to happen to damage the Empire from within so it would fall apart more easily when the Dominion attacked again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanchan05 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Because Hammerfell was fighting an Almeri army severely decimated by the wars with the empire. The empire actually destroyed the standing army of the Dominion, but the Empire itself was too damaged land-wise that there were not enough resources to support the army. Remember that the Aldmeri were able to sack the Imperial City. So they sued for peace and let the Redguards go to defend themselves against a highly arrogant force which tried to take over Hammerfell territory even if they had no standing army left. Doesn't that support the stormcloaks cause? If the elves are too weak to take hammerfell they are too weak to take Skyrim(unlike the with the empire/hammerfell they don't share a border so would have to invade by sea this is almost always unsuccessful. They could hardly march through the Empire (the empire could turn on them and without supply lines their army would be wiped out) So essentially you have a choice between a thalmor controlled empire province and a thalmor neutral skyrim. If there was an option to unite the two sides, kill the principles and in turn set out to liberate the empire, that would be preferable, but it's not there so... 1. The Thalmor likes the war Ulfric made in Skyrim. It essentially prevents the Empire from recovering, and splits the army into two, a part in Skyrim and a part in the border with the Dominion. The Empire thus cannot attack the Aldmeri because its standing army is torn 3 ways -> Nords divided between legion and stormloack, soldiers stationed in skyrim, and soldiers at the border. 2. Siding with the Empire effectively eradicates the need for a large standing force of imperial soldiers in Skyrim, so they can send much of the army back to the Aldmeri Dominion. If the new emperor has enough guts, he'll rally the Bretons and Skyrim to make war with the Aldmeri. Even those who weren't soldiers before would join due to the Thalmor oppression. Humans breed like rabbits compared to elves who breed slower, so the human army would have recovered more than the Aldmeri. 3. Basically the choice is breaking the Empire for each province to stand for themselves, which may or may not be applicable (however against a fully recovered Dominion, the provinces can't stand alone), or help unite the Empire, and be strong enough to destroy the Domnion NOW, provided of course on the Emperor's wishes. Remember, if the Stormcloaks win Skyrim, you could be looking at the combined forces of the Aldmeri Dominion and the Cyrodiilic Empire to go up against. The Aldmeri will retaliate for the destruction of their Embassy and their fort, and the Empire will of course try to take the land back. That's something I don't think even a Dragonborn led Nord army will be able to stand up against: The combined forces of Elves, Khajiit and two races of Men. Well. assuming we're still applying real world logic here... no. The Almeri cannot invade skyrim as they don't share a border with it; they would have to march through the empire. The empire still faces an existential threat (the Almeri) who are one assumes massively unpopular with the local populance. So assuming a Nord victory you have three scenarios. 1) as before but Skyrim is independent. the elves sit back to lick their wounds (don't forget they have a much lower birthrate so the losses incurred in the last hundred years take centuries, not decades to counter) the Empire continues to disintegrate. 2) The Thalmor assume control of the Empires ruling apparatus and the empire goes to war with Skyrim. The nods probably lose the empire is weakened and brought fully under the control of the Almeri for the next few decades at least. 3) The Almeri attack through the empire and loose horribly, the empire declares war, the Almeri expeditionary force is annihilated and the WhiteGold concord is renounced. Cold war resumes no side is strong enough to attack the other, skyrim empire alliance. Why would the empire ally with the Almeri to retake Skyrim, they have nothing in particular to gain and a lot to lose. Why would you ally? It depends really, not everyone is you. You won't ally with the Aldmeri whatever happens. But we can't say that about whoever becomes the next emperor. Some people would slit their own mother's throats for more power, or for grievances or whatever (maybe I watch too many movies). But It would still be a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terzho Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Ok, the reason I sided with the Empire, is because Ulfric Stormcloak is a lying worm. He's not doing all of this for the good of his people or because he wants Talos worship to be allowed again. The real reason is back when the Empire went to war against the Aldari Dominion he was captured and sold out state secrets while their prisoner. And then later on he started the civil war on threat by the Dominion or they'd reveal what he did to the world. They wanted the Civil War to happen to damage the Empire from within so it would fall apart more easily when the Dominion attacked again. Actually he did not, as you put it, "Sell out state secrets". He was captured and the state secrets were tortured out of him. That is one of the reasons for his hate towards the Elves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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