Some concerns about the community

[Hisu]

Exactly! That is what is so great about this community, it is not made up of only people of one particular mindset, it caters to and welcomes everyone. The only problems that come are when one particular mindset cannot tolerate others and tries to force the entire community into it's way of thinking.

 

The rules are made and enforced by people of one particular mindset, though. Which means, for example, you being expressly forbidden to continue an abandoned work if its creator didn't leave any contact details.

 

Rights should only come with responsibilities. Otherwise, it's too easy to abuse them, sometimes to no gain for anybody.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Hisu

[Arthmoor]

1) Nexus thinks it's okay to censor critics, reviewers, commentary and anything thus, they allow mod authors to pull what Digital Homicide tried with Jim Sterling, only they went after a reviewer, who doesn't have the money to goto court. Bullying 101 - Target those who you know can't fight back.

The Jim Sterling case was about libel and assault, not a copyright issue. Digital Homicide was entirely in the wrong to abuse the DMCA to affect a takedown for that.

 

3) People need to understand, reviewers have existed since the birth of artwork. It's a protected right. Reviewers do not need peoples permission to review their work. They don't need movie producers permission to review and critic a movie. They don't need the song artists permission to review their song. They don't need a game developers permission to review their game. And reviewers do NOT need permission of mod authors to review their mods. This is a protected right, and people who are against that, I want nothing to do with their mods.

Please delete all of my mods from your system then because I support the right of mod authors to place conditions on how their work is used by others. As does the law. Reviews are not an automatically protected right. Fair Use is not an impenetrable shield. Only a court case can decided that, and it will only come up AFTER the infringement lawsuit is filed and answered.

 

And again the question pops: "What happened to making mods for fun for the community?"

This has been and always will be an invalid assumption about the reasons people mod. This argument has been going on for longer than you've been in the community and it isn't going to stop anytime soon.

[Deleted82156User]

 

The rules are made and enforced by people of one particular mindset, though. Which means, for example, you being expressly forbidden to continue an abandoned work if its creator didn't leave any contact details.

Rights should only come with responsibilities. Otherwise, it's too easy to abuse them, sometimes to no gain for anybody.

 

 

The mindset here is that all mindsets are welcome, and it protects that. Not being able to continue a piece of work without permission is following just that, respect for the individual's rights (and their beliefs) regarding their work.

 

Seems to me that some campaign that everyone loose their rights (enforce cathedral), because someone might abuse their rights. That doesn't make sense at all, you may as well say that everyone should loose the right to drive a car because some abuse their right to drive by driving without due care.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Guest

[Hisu]

 

The mindset here is that all mindsets are welcome, and it protects that. Not being able to continue a piece of work without permission is following just that, respect for the individual's rights (and their beliefs) regarding their work.

 

...but not the individual's right to create. Somehow all mindsets are welcome and equal, but some midsets are more equal than others, eh?

 

And I don't advocate removing all rights. I'm just suggesting that public domain should be the default state of any work published on the Nexus — but, of course, we don't want the authors' rights to be violated, so, of course, there should be a checkbox or button for them to say MINE DON'T TOUCH. I'm just saying that right should not be verbatim and must come with responsibilities to your creation.

[AGreatWeight]

 

 

The mindset here is that all mindsets are welcome, and it protects that. Not being able to continue a piece of work without permission is following just that, respect for the individual's rights (and their beliefs) regarding their work.

 

...but not the individual's right to create. Somehow all mindsets are welcome and equal, but some midsets are more equal than others, eh?

 

And I don't advocate removing all rights. I'm just suggesting that public domain should be the default state of any work published on the Nexus — but, of course, we don't want the authors' rights to be violated, so, of course, there should be a checkbox or button for them to say MINE DON'T TOUCH. I'm just saying that right should not be verbatim and must come with responsibilities to your creation.

 

 

That sounds like an awfully convenient way to levarage the ability to do as you please with content from authors who have left the Nexus etc; and who may not agree with such use of their content.

In fact, I could well imagine there will be some just 'hoovering' up these 'abandoned' mods, adding some trivial addition/s to them and reuploading them whilst claiming them as their own. Besides, I'm unsure as to what you think qualifies as 'abandoned', do you mean mods whose authors are no longer active on the Nexus, or do you simply mean mods that are no longer updated? I'm asking purely because in the past, I've had disagreements with mod users who don't understand the distinction between 'complete' and 'abandoned', as if they expect mod authors to continue working on their mods into infinity.

[Deleted82156User]

 

 

The mindset here is that all mindsets are welcome, and it protects that. Not being able to continue a piece of work without permission is following just that, respect for the individual's rights (and their beliefs) regarding their work.

 

...but not the individual's right to create. Somehow all mindsets are welcome and equal, but some midsets are more equal than others, eh?

 

Individuals have every right to create. Individuals do not have the right to take and create on someone elses work without their permission because that is a violation of that other individual's rights to create and to their own creation.

 

Essentially what you are saying is that not being allowed to steal is a violation of an individuals rights...yeah no, that fails on all levels.

 

All mindsets are equal (as in people are entitled to their beliefs), when one mindset acts on an intolerance of another mindset is where we get the problems.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Guest

[Arthmoor]

And I don't advocate removing all rights.

I'm just suggesting that public domain should be the default state of any work published on the Nexus

These two things are directly contradicting each other. "Public Domain" means you forfeit all rights to something. So you are indeed advocating the removal of all rights from mod authors by advocating a public domain position.

[sunshinenbrick]

I don't think forcing or strong arming anyone into anything is a good tactic. But there is a dilemma around how to coexist and how to keep the 'amateur' and 'professional' scenes alive. I think better labeling and search may help, like if you could search for assets and resources based on licence, for example, so new modders have somewhere to start.

 

Thing is there is stuff out there but it perhaps needs to be organised better and with a easy to interact with interface that clearly states any ToS, permissions etc... something like this would hopefully avoid the 'stepping on toes' that happens so regularly and causes so much confusion and drama.

 

Suppose this still doesn't answer any questions on legalities and enforceablity but that is perhaps just going to take time and precedence. Starting somewhere and trying to guide people from the 'bottom-up' is surely an economical way to approach things, at least to begin with and until things take more shape.

[iXenite]

 

Individuals have every right to create. Individuals do not have the right to take and create on someone elses work without their permission because that is a violation of that other individual's rights to create and to their own creation.

 

 

Essentially what you are saying is that not being allowed to steal is a violation of an individuals rights...yeah no, that fails on all levels.

 

All mindsets are equal (as in people are entitled to their beliefs), when one mindset acts on an intolerance of another mindset is where we get the problems.

 

 

Wouldn't a mod showcase like MxR's videos, which showcase numerous mods and MxR's own humor/personality count as transformative work (thus, fair use)? I'm simply asking, I'm not trying to pick sides or get into an argument. MxR is a content creator, and as such his videos are also protected under the same general copyright all content creators have when the publish something. That's why I thought I would bring up transformative works. It's worth thinking about in my opinion.

[Graybark]

 

And I don't advocate removing all rights.

I'm just suggesting that public domain should be the default state of any work published on the Nexus

These two things are directly contradicting each other. "Public Domain" means you forfeit all rights to something. So you are indeed advocating the removal of all rights from mod authors by advocating a public domain position.

 

I believe he was referring to the default setup when uploading a mod. Mod authors who do not care or know about copyright would just leave it like this. People who do care could obviously change it according to their own preference. This could of course put people who might not know about their rights, and who might want to protect their work, at a disadvantage but that's why they need to go through the upload process, anyway.

Edited April 10, 2017 by ArtaiosGreybark