Looking for help with load order and stablelizing my game.

[NeedCaffeine]

Hi,

I'm Matt i playing Fallout 4 for a pretty long time now.

Here comes some background information
The actual point of my post is too find some people that are willing to help me a bit with stablelizing my game

So i keep getting to points where the game doesnt feel stable anymore.
I quit my first charc because i couldn't walk around certain points in the Boston Downtown area.

At first i figured it was a hardware problem

Long time ago i already upgraded my computer with a SSD on wich i only got fallout installed.
This did help with some problems i encountered.

I kept on playing with my old charc till i get the stuff where i couldn't walk in certain points in the Boston Downtown area

At this point kinda had it thinking i just broke my charc it was a pretty big save and had a lot of hours on it.
So i deleted the whole game, Buyed a new videocard

Started a new charc with new mods less mods also.
Now 6 days of saved hours into the game i have the same problem i ctd at certains places in the Boston Downtown area.
Two place i remember are Financial District and Beacon Hill.

This time i deleted the data folder and verified the integrity of the game cache with steam.

After i done this i tryed a save at the Finacial district wich is the last save on that charc.
I tryed some thing before that too see if they helped.

But if i enter this save after deleting and verifying everything i enter without a problem.
Wich verifys that this is a mod problem.

I got a a copy of my load order right here:

{GameMode=Fallout4

Fallout4.esm=1

DLCRobot.esm=1

DLCworkshop01.esm=1

DLCCoast.esm=1

DLCworkshop02.esm=1

DLCworkshop03.esm=1

DLCNukaWorld.esm=1

Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1

EthreonMasterPlan.esp=1

Arbitration - Resources.esm=1

TrueStormsFO4.esm=1

ArmorKeywords.esm=1

SettlementKeywords.esm=1

VideoMaster.esm=1

Snap'n Build.esm=1

UniqueFollowers.esp=1

UniquePlayer.esp=1

Cel Respawn Timer 48.esp=1

Scrap Everything - Core.esp=1

Scrap Everything - Far Harbor.esp=1

CommonwealthChooksAndBunnies.esp=1

WET.esp=1

Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp=1

SurvivalOptions.esp=1

LEVEL SCALE all in one.esp=1

See You Sleep CW editon - Beta.esp=1

UniqueUniques.esp=1

Lots More Facial Hair.esp=1

Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp=1

Extended weapon mods.esp=1

Weapon Rack Extended.esp=1

Locksmith.esp=1

Armorsmith Extended.esp=1

Armormsith All DLCs Patch.esp=1

WorkshopRearranged.esp=1

ImmersiveScrapping_SeasonPass.esp=1

Makeshift-Anti Materiel Rifle.esp=1

RedWave.esp=1

CigaretteInMouth.esp=1

RaiderOverhaul.esp=1

SuperMutantOverhaul.esp=1

Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC.esp=1

Dogmeat's Backpack.esp=1

BuildableBurningCampfires.esp=1

Campsite.esp=1

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp=1

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Ballistic Weave.esp=1

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp=1

BetterStores.esp=1

BS-ExtraCustomProps.esp=1

BS-FarHarborExpansion.esp=1

ProvisionerBackPack.esp=1

OWR_CraftableDecor.esp=1

OWR.esp=1

Conduits and Pylons Various Wireless Power.esp=1

Scrap Everything - Nuka World.esp=1

MTS-MoveThatScrap.esp=1

MTS-ScrapEverythingPatch.esp=1

Arbitration - Button Lowered Weapons.esp=1

WindowBoards.esp=1

Weapons of Fate.esp=1

Weapons of Fate - Realistic Bullet Speed.esp=1

WastelandFashionBandanasBlindfolds.esp=1

AQSCapsandMasks.esp=1

Repaired Roofs.esp=1

Wastelander's Cookbook.esp=1

UrbanFoodExpanded.esp=1

wastelandwoundcare.esp=1

chem redux.esp=1

slevins_chemVFX-Light.esp=1

ImmersiveDrumlinDiner.esp=1

No Industrial Smoke v1.0.esp=1

Animated Drinking.esp=1

Smoke-able Cigars.esp=1

Cheerful Butcher v1.5.esp=1

ButcherMeatRack.esp=1

slaveCollar.esp=1

AutoUnequipPipboy.esp=1

NoObjectLimit.esp=1

PipBoyShadows.esp=1

LooksMirror.esp=1

TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp=1

DarkerNights.esp=1

SovereignWalrusHalloweenPack.esp=1

True-Frags_v1-1_MidDmg_NoKnockdown_MidRange.esp=1

NoDeathWeaponDrop.esp=1

Ark_travelbag.esp=1

InteriorsEnhanced-All-In-One.esp=1

Bellwood_Lightbot.esp=1

ReasonableWorkbenchPerks_NoStores.esp=1

SalvageBeacons.esp=1

TorchAndLantern.esp=1

Housekeeping.esp=1

VendorVariety.esp=1

Invisible_Guard_Marker-SKE.esp=1

TrueReporter.esp=1

Prisoner Shackles.esp=1

This is MY Bed (Extended).esp=1

GuardWeaponDrawn.esp=1

Open Carry Patrol - Provisioner.esp=1

Cyan's Legendary Mod.esp=1

BetterSettlers.esp=1

BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp=1

BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp=1

EvilViking13_PatchworkSanctuaryBridge.esp=1

GasMaskRealistic.esp=1

HalfGasMask.esp=1

EFF.esp=1

Tacoduck'sLoreFriendlyArmorPack.esp=1

Crossbow.esp=1

CROSS_Cybernetics.esp=1

Grasslands - Healthy.esp=1

Scavvers of the Commonwealth.esp=1

MsRae_Horticulture.esp=1

MoreUniques.esp=1

Tree Farms - 30 Wood.esp=1

CommonwealthSurvivalist.esp=1

Survivalist Go-Bags_AE_AWKCR.esp=1

SettlersRename.esp=1

Wall Oil Lamps.esp=1

Colt1911.esp=1

CWSS Redux.esp=1

CompactCrafting.esp=1

Evan_Modular Kitchen.esp=1

HeadShot.esp=1

OCDecorator.esp=1

OCDispenser.esp=1

OCDecoratorDLC.esp=1

RoboAsimov_LoreFriendlyTattooAPalooza.esp=1

PWR.esp=1

DeployableTurretsPack.esp=1

DTP - AWKCR Compatibility.esp=1

InvsArmor.esp=1

Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp=1

Craftable Armor Size.esp=1

worklight.esp=1

Guard Rug - D3.esp=1

Guard Rug - D6.esp=1

Guard Rug - D1.esp=1

SanctuaryParts.esp=1

Grab and Eat.esp=1

keyNuker.esp=1

KookyRadio.esp=1

WAYN_CompanionTracking.esp=1

Mercenary.esp=1

WelcometoGoodneighbor.esp=1

PokemonNPC.esp=1

TacticalWeaponLamps.esp=1

Herbie The Crab.esp=1

Eli_ApachiiDreadlocks.esp=1

LootableBirds.esp=1

Eli_XmasMod.esp=1

CombatZoneOverhaul.esp=1

M1Garand.esp=1

M1Garand - AWKCR.esp=1

g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp=1

Rebuilt_TaffingtonBoathouse.esp=1

90sgame.esp=1

HeavyGunnerArmor.esp=1

Friffy_Holstered Weapons.esp=1

Holsters & sheaths.esp=1

Journey.esp=1

Test 01.esp=0

JustDebris.esp=1

HamedSimKhardar.esp=1

Splinterz.esp=1

WastelandCannibals.esp=1

Deployable Shield.esp=1

Sandbag Fortifications - Version 2C.esp=1

LiveDismembering.esp=1

Better Cooking Stations.esp=1

Pet - Call -Feed Dogmeat.esp=1

Orphans.esp=1

Orphans-DCMS.esp=1

--abernathy--.esp=1

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1

Settlers Calling.esp=1

CheatTerminal.esp=1

AA HotC - Standalone WE.esp=1

Settler Sandbox Overhaul.esp=1

zLCharTweaks.esp=1

Sneaky Kills.esp=1

HAIA.esp=1

JPIH.esp=1

MoreVaultRooms.esp=1

AlternateFurniture.esp=1

Thematic and Practical.esp=1

Driveable Motorcycle Mod.esp=1

Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp=1

AkaSinger.esp=1

AkaSinger-QuieterSoundPatch.esp=1

BTInteriors_Project.esp=1

VotWGeneralPurposePatch.esp=1

SpecialVideos.esp=1

StarlightDriveInVideos.esp=1

Brainwashing.esp=1

GoodOldCartoons.esp=1

LootableCars.esp=1

LL_Ammo_Weaps_DLCCoast_commonwealth.esp=1

TakahashiThird.esp=1

QuazCoastalCottageRedone.esp=1

PIP-Pad.esp=1

CBBE.esp=1

AA HotC - Standalone - SE - WE.esp=1

Unique Female NPC Bodies.esp=1

Crimsomrider's Slaves.esp=1

ArmoredNick.esp=1

Crimsomrider's Tomb Raider Accessories.esp=1

VanillaExtensions.esp=1

PlantMe.esp=1

More Radstags - Triple.esp=1

FQ_NoMoreLODFlicker_AIO.esp=0

MsAbominations.esp=1

I know it is a mess after some time i just throw them in there without testing or categorizing.
That probably is the problem of it all but i think there are certain mods that clash at some point.

I usually dont go to the Boston city area that much so i find the bug far too late too find out what happend.

Maybe someone can take a look at it a give me some tips.
In the mean time im gonna try too download them all again and revive my charc.

Sorry for some bad grammar but y'all will get what i mean.

Thanks in advance!

Edited April 15, 2017 by NeedCaffeine

[Greslin]

Yeah, just chucking them all in like that is going to create a pretty unstable build.

 

Have you checked for errors with FO4Edit? That would probably give you a bunch of clear clues about where to look.

[NeedCaffeine]

Hi, Greslin yeah i recently discovered the use of FO4Edit for checking for errors thanks for your reply.

I maybe created a topic too hastely, Was just curious if there where some people that could give some extra tips.

[Greslin]

That's the big tip: FO4Edit and Check for Error.

 

Beyond that, you're going to need to isolate your crashes. If your build is just a random mess at this point, you'll have to deactivate all your plugins and reactivate them one at a time to see which ones are causing which crashes. Focus on the reproduceable crashes first.

 

There aren't any big secrets. It's all legwork and lots of patience for tedium.

[damanding]

A couple of obvious suggestions, Scrap Everything needs to be at the very bottom of your load order. I would suggest you try it without any of the performance heavy mods like True Storms and Enhanced Light and FX. I'm going to guess you're having a vram issue.

[AGreatWeight]

Also worth mentioning that when you uninstall/reinstall all your mods, it would be wise to test them on a clean save (i.e. start a new game, get as far exiting Vault 111 for the first time, then save) without any mods. Or if you already have a save before you started adding mods, use that for testing etc. Have to emphasise, always test mods out one at a time, I know it's tedious but it can save you a lot of time and headache further down the line.

 

Also, you should place VotWGeneralPurposePatch.esp as near to the bottom of your load order as possible, if not at the bottom. Any mods that alter vanilla workshop records that get loaded after the patch will interfere with it (because it fixes what some mods do to the vanilla workshop records that VotW relies on to work)

 

I also share damanding's opinion that you may be having vram issues (putting too much strain on your gpu) The areas you mention are notoriously bad for fps drops generally, in a heavily modded game they can cause freezes and in a worse case scenarios CTD. Fallout4 is very badly optimized game, so everyone experiences these issues at some point.

 

edit - fixed spelling errors etc.

Edited April 19, 2017 by AGreatWeight

[NeedCaffeine]

Thanks for the replys. For the vram issue i got a 8gb 1070 ftw with a Enb on an serval mods like fx light truestorms and some texture mods.

Could the 1070 be not enough? This is kinda why i started the topic too find out what would be the best too play this game.

I'm pretty new too "next gen" pc gaming and sirious modding. There for i like to just talk to some people about it.

I started a new game i wich i'm trying too use less vram heavy mods with more error checks and a better load order.

[AGreatWeight]

Make sure that you've configured the enblocal.ini correctly regarding vram usage.

This great guide by Tapioks goes through how to correctly determine the amount available (dependant on your system)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSz84F1kgkM