Random NPC's with giant speedmults

[Timmhaze]

Hello, I've been experiencing a strange bug in Fallout New Vegas. I have made 3 different characters to test the bug and each of them has had the same result.

If you were to follow the route the main quest expects you to go (I.e. Goodsprings > Primm > Nipton > Novac etc.) to get to New Vegas, random NPC's from Novac onward have exorbitant speedmults. The range I've seen was from 700 - 27000.
For those reading this that are unaware there is an actor value called speedmult that does pretty much as the name implies, it's a multiplier for player and NPC movement speed. The default value is 100. In fact, its rare to see any humanoid with a speedmult greater than 100. So 700 is ridiculous, let alone 27000.

The bug seems to have a preference for mod added NPC's (Willow and Electocity engineers are the most common) but I've seen it effect NCR, Securitrons, Brahmin Caravans and all sorts.

My load order is as follows:

 

0 0 FalloutNV.esm

1 1 DeadMoney.esm

2 2 HonestHearts.esm

3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm

4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm

5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm

6 6 ClassicPack.esm

7 7 MercenaryPack.esm

8 8 TribalPack.esm

9 9 CaravanPack.esm

10 a YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm

11 b AnimationProject.esm

12 c Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm

13 d FreesideOpen.esm

14 e NVInteriors_Core.esm

15 f oHUD.esm

16 10 ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

17 11 NVInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

18 12 Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm

19 13 ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

20 14 SomeguySeries.esm

21 15 PipboyRemover.esm

22 16 NVStripOpen.esm

23 17 Project Nevada - Core.esm

24 18 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

25 19 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

26 1a NVWillow.esp

27 1b FCOMaster.esm

28 1c New Vegas Redesigned 3.esm

29 1d Bitter Springs Redesigned.esp

30 1e Casa Madrid Redesigned.esp

31 1f Gomorrah Redesigned v2.esp

32 20 YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp

33 21 Zan_AutoPurge_SmartAgro_NV.esp

34 22 DarNifiedUINV.esp

35 23 Immersive Karma.esp

36 24 Performance Of The Gods.esp

37 25 EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp

38 26 The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

39 27 Reload Sounds.esp

40 28 JIP Companions Command & Control.esp

41 29 FOVSlider.esp

42 2a F4Quickloot.esp

43 2b Better Pickup Prompt.esp

44 2c Tutorial Killer.esp

45 2d JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp

46 2e ILO - YUP Patch.esp

47 2f Better Game Performance.esp

48 30 Vurt's WFO.esp

MergePatch01.esp

49 31 outsidebets.esp

50 32 FreesideOpenPatch.esp

51 33 JSawyer Ultimate.esp

52 34 kochandbohr.esp

53 35 rotfacetoriches.esp

54 36 betsybrahminFSO.esp

55 37 Better Burned Man.esp

56 38 Further3rdPersonCamera.esp

57 39 vault22FloralOverhaul.esp

58 3a WeaponModsExpanded.esp

59 3b WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp

60 3c Alternative Repairing.esp

61 3d StripOpenMain.esp

62 3e Back in The Saddle Revised.esp

63 3f Back in The Saddle Revised - 22LR Varmint Rifle Ammo Patch.esp

64 40 All Weapon Sounds Overhaul .esp

65 41 WMX-DLCMerged.esp

66 42 Unofficial Patch Plus.esp

67 43 MTB.esp

68 44 IMPACT.esp

69 45 WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp

70 46 YUP + EVE + IMPACT.esp

71 47 WMX-POPMerged.esp

72 48 dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp

73 49 MiscItemIconsNV.esp

74 4a Enhanced NPC Awareness.esp

75 4b ADAM - Trooper Gloves.esp

76 4c EnhancedGrass.esp

77 4d Sit Anywhere.esp

78 4e ImmersivePickupSoundsFNV.esp

79 4f AwesomeCripplingEffectsJIPLN1.1.esp

80 50 hz_1 by 1 Reload Fix.esp

81 51 RWD-NV v1.4 [standard Version].esp

82 52 Real Weapon Names.esp

83 53 Alternative Repairing - NVInteriors Combo Edition.esp

84 54 NewVegasBounties.esp

85 55 NewVegasBountiesII.esp

86 56 TheInheritance.esp

87 57 Russell.esp

88 58 Character Creation Streamlined.esp

89 59 SaveCass.esp

90 5a Back in The Saddle Revised - Character Creation Streamlined Patch.esp

91 5b Delay DLC - DM + HH + OWB + LR + GRA.esp

92 5c athornysituation.esp

93 5d awilderwasteland.esp

94 5e ADAM Complete.esp

95 5f ADAM - MAIN.esp

96 60 ADAM - Rangers on Patrol.esp

97 61 Pacersgambit.esp

98 62 avangraffscorned.esp

99 63 Simple Saves.esp

100 64 GRA-WRP-Patch-Two_Unofficial.esp

101 65 357retex.esp

102 66 FP gun follows crosshairs.esp

103 67 ManualReload-OldWorldBlues.esp

104 68 ManualReload.esp

105 69 RWD-NV v1.4 [standard Version] Update+DLC.esp

106 6a The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

107 6b Quicker PipBoy Light-0_2Sec.esp

108 6c Feng Shui NV.esp

Feng Shui - Keymap Template.esp

109 6d Pickpocket Overhaul.esp

110 6e Alternative Repairing - Ultimate Edition.esp

111 6f Alternative Repairing - NVInteriors.esp

112 70 ImmersiveRecoil.esp

113 71 Nights are Darker - Ultimate Edition.esp

114 72 FCO + YUP + JSawyer UE.esp

115 73 JSawyer Ultimate - FCO Patch.esp

116 74 JSawyer Ultimate - NVR3 Patch.esp

117 75 Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp

118 76 ILO - NVInteriors Project.esp

119 77 LightUpAndSmokeThoseCigarettes_edisleado.esp

120 78 1nivVSLArmors.esp

121 79 1nivPNSLPatch.esp

122 7a MediumBeard.esp

123 7b FCO - NPC Changes.esp

124 7c FCO - GlowingOne.esp

125 7d FCO - OHSB NPC Edits.esp

126 7e FCO - Russell.esp

127 7f FCO - Willow.esp

FCO - Willow (Cazy).esp

128 80 New Vegas Redesigned 3.esp

129 81 bzArmour.esp

If anyone can offer any advice it would be much appreciated. It always starts at Novac and never appears before there. Going back towards Goodsprings all NPC's are fine, its just anywhere north of Novac, inclusive.

Thank you very much.

[Deleted1205226User]

The same issue is described here: https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/5772672-npcs-randomly-move-at-hyperspeed-clip-included/&do=findComment&comment=51444627

Maybe you'll find some solutions there as well.

[dubiousintent]

That info about "speedmult" is useful, and the likely cause of the "hyper-speed". Now if we can only figure out what is changing it.

 

Other things that may have an impact:

 

I notice you have 129 active plugins, but another 3 inactive present in the "Data" folder. While under the putative "140 cap", that is only a working approximation. My own system for instance is proven to be limited to 129 plugins. So, move any inactive ones out of the "Data" folder just for safety sake. "Too many plugins" can cause all kinds of strange behavior.

 

Don't use "Zan_AutoPurge_SmartAgro_NV.esp". Autopurge tools are intended as a debug technique only. The authors of "script extenders" advise against using them while playing.

 

You shouldn't use both "Better Game Performance" (BGP) and "Performance of the Gods" (PotG). They disable the same things, so choose one. Experts advise against, and testing and caution with either.

 

I also see one of your inactive plugins is named "MergePatch01.esp". I expect you know why you need one, but please see the 'Third Rule: The Rule of One', 'Essentials for Getting Started', 'Towards Game Stability', and 'Merge Patch File' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article for why it should be last in your "load order".

 

-Dubious-

[Timmhaze]

Hey, thanks for the replies. Funny that someone happened across the same issue as me around the same time, where before I could find nothing about something like this happening. I can't help but wonder if it was caused by a recently added or updated mod. It would seem that both Valfaun and I use Awesome Crippling Effects. This mod does change the speedmult of NPC's, but only when they're legs have been crippled. I'll do some testing and see if disabling it has any effect.

I must also thank you for the help regarding load order. I wasn't aware that old. deactivated plugins have an effect on the game. I'll have to keep that in mind in future. Also Zan Auto Purge was considered one of the foundation mods for stability, I thought? I'll assume your information is far more up to date than my own and remove it. Besides, if the fellas of the Script Extender team take issue with it then who am I to argue xD

 

If I find anything else I'll let you guys know. Thanks again for your help.

[Timmhaze]

So I have done some testing. Upon removing Awesome Crippling effects and reloading my most recent save (In Novac, where the issue always crops up) nothing has changed. Electro-city Engineers are still warping around at light speed and I am still annoyed.
I did, however, load an old save, one from just after leaving Doc Mitchells house. I used my own speedmult command to run over to just past Nipton, then I used the console to COC to Novac. The issue wasn't immediately present in previous experiences, so I went around and did the usual stuff I would normally do, albeit 5x faster. I went into Cliff Briscos shop, I did the majority of the quest, Come Fly With Me, and I returned to town. It was always without fail around this point that I would see the bug happen. However, it didn't. The sample time is a bit short imo but it could very well be the case that Awesome Crippling effects is having some issue with one or more other mods myself and Valfaun are using, or that it is a bug that can just randomly hit. The author of Awesome Crippling effects has a sticky note up saying that a previous incarnation of the mod had issues regarding speedmult, but this issue caused NPC's to walk far slower than intended. He has since fixed this issue but perhaps its gone a little(lol) overkill. Either way I will test this again with time being a few hours (Pretty much activate god mode and do a speed run of all the quests that I'd normally do between Goodsprings and Novac).

 

Once again, if anything crops up I will post about it here.

[dubiousintent]

Thanks for the information. Once a script gets involved in changing game settings (like the speedmult) they can persist in save games even after the plugin is removed. This is just one of the reasons for the advice to never remove a plugin that was active in a saved game. If you can identify a save game (such as it appears you did) prior to when you added a particular mod, that is a reasonable way to test if that mod is the cause.

 

Some other things that might be involved:

* The "timescale" setting. There have been other issues reported where having a timescale other than "30" can cause problems with scripts.

* In addition, the Wrye Flash "Bashed Patch" file has a "Game Tweak" setting when you build it to change the "Base Movement Speed". The default it has is "77". I currently have mine set to "90" without the problem, though I do not have a save with "Awesome Crippling Effects" in it.

 

-Dubious-

[Timmhaze]

Cool, thanks for the advice, much appreciated. I have done a more lengthy post over on Valfauns thread, as I've said there I will continue with my testing tomorrow (As of time of writing) and let you know what happens. If Awesome Crippling effects is the cause then it is imperative that we contact the mod author to notify him Of The Issie so he can create a patch. The mod is popular (For good reason) and could potentially affect a lot of save games. Edited July 2, 2017 by Timmhaze

[PsychorGames]

The author of Awesome Crippling effects has a sticky note up saying that a previous incarnation of the mod had issues regarding speedmult, but this issue caused NPC's to walk far slower than intended. He has since fixed this issue but perhaps its gone a little(lol) overkill.

 

I didn't develop the JIP version of the mod, which is the one you're using. I made the regular version. That said, I can't help but giggle a little bit imagining NPC's hitting light speed and veering off into the sunset for no reason.

 

This is not an issue as of regular ACE 1.6 because I wrote in the script essentially this command: "If the character doesn't have either of their legs crippled but their speed is less than 75 (this was the issue in which NPC's would have no broken legs but were inexplicably walking slower), set speedmult of this bugged character to 2X their current speed (which will hopefully reset them to their original speed.)"

 

I use spells to keep track of whose legs have been crippled and who has had their speedmult corrected.

 

I'm going to post an updated version of NVSE Awesome Crippling Effects, one which corrects a different problem entirely, but maybe you can try it out and tell me if it works better for you. The problem that 1.7 addresses is sometimes some NPC's will be getting constantly pushed around after being crippled. I added a spell to them that makes it so that they won't get pushed around if the spell is presently on them.