My game crashes within 30 minutes of playing.

[Luscilla]

Well, what do you all think? I just removed real thirst have had less crashes.

[Vagrant0]

But I am not lowering the graphics any further. I played the 360 version for 2 years, so I can't play with less graphical detail now.

The video card within the Xbox 360 is specialized for gaming, and can maintain decent framerates on very high graphics. There are also ALOT fewer background processes happening within a 360 environment. A 256 mb ram videocard ends up a bit lower capability wise since it is designed for more general use, and cannot utilize shared memory like the 360 system. This is why consoles can usually provide better graphics for less money when they first come out. It is a highly specialized system which makes gains in those areas at the cost of most background processes. Your average PC has an operating system, security software, and many other things running in the background while you're playing the game, so unless you are updating all of your hardware to be more than what is suggested, you won't be getting the same sort of gaming performance... Nevermind the additional stuff which needs to be handled when mods are taken into considderation. If you want to use complex mods which add alot more detail, you're going to either need better hardware, or lower settings. The two are entierly different creatures, what works for one won't work for the other. Deal with it.

 

That said, the suggestion of lowering your graphic settings was primarily so that it could be determined if this was even a graphic issue. As said, OOO and MMM add more things to the game which need to be registered in memory. This information, in addition to what would normally need to be loaded may be more than your current hardware can handle, unless you lessen the strain there is no way to know if what is happening is because of your videocard not being good enough, or if it is being caused by something else. The fact that dropping to high reduces the ammount of stuttering should tell you that what setting you had before were too high for your hardware.

 

Disabling one mod is essentially like just putting a bag of ice on your head when you have a feaver. Sure, it'll cut down the effects of the feaver, but it won't cure it. Lowering your graphics settings to something closer to what your videocard can handle is like taking anti-biotics. If the cause of the feaver is infection (lack of ram, overheating of videocard) the anti-biotics will solve the issue. If the feaver persists, it has to be something else. (Sorry, been watching too much House).

[bben46]

You asked for advice, then don't want to accept the advice. Listen to Vagrant. He knows whereof he speaks. While the Vagrant was watching House I was reading Shakespeare. Working with a Jr high grandkid who is going through the agony of having to read Hamlet for English class.

[Luscilla]

And as I clearly said in a previous post, I did lower the graphics, it didn't help at all. Several of my mods are highlighted in red, and a few are green, in my conflict report. I think that may be the problem, but I have no way of configuring them without uninstalling and reinstalling. But I may have the same problem then.

[Vagrant0]

And as I clearly said in a previous post, I did lower the graphics, it didn't help at all. Several of my mods are highlighted in red, and a few are green, in my conflict report. I think that may be the problem, but I have no way of configuring them without uninstalling and reinstalling. But I may have the same problem then.

I saw that. Going from ultra high to high isn't that big of a step. Now going from high to low... That's a big enough step to get an idea from. I'm not saying that you ultimately have to keep it at low, we just need to know for sure if it is a videocard issue of not... If it is a videocard issue, you may just have to either upgrade your hardware, play without OOO/MMM, or be willing to make some adjustments to visual settings and .ini settings in order to get you the best effects for your hardware. You being stubborn won't accomplish anything. I could have told you instead to remove OOO and MMM since the problem was caused when they were added, but figured that you'd want access to the content and variety they add (since you bothered to buy the game twice). If you prefer, we could just skip to that part, and see how long you can go until you run into this problem again after installing a different mod which adds stuff.

 

And I'm not simply basing this on gut feeling. The videocard is likely the cause since it is the only piece of hardware you have which is slightly lacking by current standards, and your mentioning of choppyness, stuttering, and the like is a good indication that when you are playing, you are pushing your videocard to the limit. It would also not be as consistant of an issue, any sort of scripting issue would always occur when a specific thing happens, not after a certain time of playing. Even if the script has a counter of some sort, a save would contain information in relation to that counter, and that issue would still happen at about the same time in game.

 

You did install OOO and MMM properly right? They require certain things to be in place for them to work together, and depending on what you have active, you would have needed to begin a new game for everything to work right.

[Luscilla]

Vagrant..I lowered the graphics to medium and then low, even reduced the resolution. The game still crashed, and there was choppiness present. It made no difference.

 

I posted my load order so someone could tell me if it's correct or not, but I haven't yet recieved a response. But last night I rearranged some of MMM's plugins and it greatly reduced the shuttering, but I'm still crashing. The game has crashed twice during gameplay in 2 hours and 30 minutes of playtime. That is an improvement. It also crashed another time when I was exiting to the main menu.

 

MMM and OOO add more than just new textures, but also alot more spawn points. I have the spawn rate at moderately increased, which adds ALOT of creatures in the wild and along the roads..far more than what the base game had. I've seen groups of of 8 or more creatures/hostile NPC's at a time, and I have the respawn rate at a week so these bodies are staying in the game world for a week after I've killed them. That's alot of strain. I believe this may be part of the problem, not to mention when I first began playing with MMM I didn't wait for 4 days like was suggested.

 

I'm thinking about starting a new game to see if there is a difference.

[Vagrant0]

Then yes, it's probably an issue with the mods you have installed. If you had just simply done as suggested, that knowledge could have been gained faster, and there would have been less time spent bickering. Now that the videocard issue is down, we can deal with other aspects. While still having low settings (since we want to isolate the specific cause of the crash, and not have even the remote possibility that it is also videocard related come up) type in CoC toddtest. This will take you somewhere that shouldn't have any OOO or MMM spawns, creatures, or such visible and being tracked. This will let us isolate specifically for scripted elements which might be the cause of a crash. The cell leads to a very basic exterior with some NPCs. The purpose is to still have some of those elements present (to replicate normal activity in a vanilla environment) but not to the degree that might be affected by either mod. Walk around, find a place to stand for 20-40 mins, have a snack, read a book, See what happens.

 

The alternative would be to reinstall, and just use OOO alone to see what happens. In my experience with MMM, skeletons (summons) were bugged, and any time they were used the game would crash. Since there are a number of included things which use summons the issue I had might be related to what is happening here. And OOO and MMM require specific changes to the install, as well as special plugins in order to work together. By gettng rid of one, you also free up that issue. If you didn't crash due to the test above, I'd suggest doing this anyway, so you can decide.

[Luscilla]

So I won't have to make another topic I'd like to mention two other problems I'm having.

 

In the quest Siege at Kvatch I encounter a glitch. When I raise the gate, and fight all the creatures in the courtyard, Matius just stands there, I initiate dialogue and all he says is "Storm the courtyard. Leave none of them alive". And Tiera runs back to the chapel, and she says is "This is no time for talk". I tried opening the console and typing "resurrect" to reset their AI and it did no good. I left Kvatch and returned, and it di no good. I reloaded a save before I raised the gate and the same thing happens.

 

Another problem is sometimes when I'm in combat, especially if it's a big fight, the sound effects go completely mute, but the music is still playing.

[Luscilla]

I don't guess I'll be doing the Main Quest then so **** it.

[Vagrant0]

So I won't have to make another topic I'd like to mention two other problems I'm having.

 

In the quest Siege at Kvatch I encounter a glitch. When I raise the gate, and fight all the creatures in the courtyard, Matius just stands there, I initiate dialogue and all he says is "Storm the courtyard. Leave none of them alive". And Tiera runs back to the chapel, and she says is "This is no time for talk". I tried opening the console and typing "resurrect" to reset their AI and it did no good. I left Kvatch and returned, and it di no good. I reloaded a save before I raised the gate and the same thing happens.

 

Another problem is sometimes when I'm in combat, especially if it's a big fight, the sound effects go completely mute, but the music is still playing.

Alright, given both of those, something is definately screwed up with your current setup. Uninstall, delete everything in your data folder. Install the game, install SI, patch to the most recent patch. Play a new game for awhile, with just that to ensure that everything is working (just run around killing stuff, cheat, ect.) This is to get a baseline for what your system can handle before anything else was added. It may suck, but since you seem to be having so many issues, the best solution is to start over fresh. If the game works for an hour of running around, going through towns, killing stuff, exit out. Install OOO, and a few smaller, necessary mods, and begin a new game. If problems continue to happen, it's either something hardware related, or some setting (within ooo or within the game) is the cause.