CTD when entering Movarth's Lair (and some other caves)

[dragonrykr]

I honestly don't know myself how to explain everything regarding these strange crashes, as I lack much information myself.
I recently created a new character on a brand new fresh install of Skyrim (I have a life-long trauma with CTD, because they utterly destroyed my old Skyrim a year ago) I thought I finally got rid of them, as I played on this new character for slightly over 20 hours, but no, they have returned.

 

However, these aren't random, but happen in specific cave locations (so far I experienced it only in Movarth's Lair and in the Serpent's Trail (from BS: Bruma)). It also always happens when I try to enter a cave. I even tried using COC command to get into Movarth's Lair, but the outcome was the same. My game does manage to somehow autosave inside of the cave, but loading that would cause a crash too. I have already cleared a few Nordic ruins on that character, so it isn't as if every dungeon has that problem. I always sort my mods with LOOT, and I cleaned the dirty files with TES5Edit. I use SKSE, Safety Load, Crash fixes and ENBoost. I honestly don't know what to do anymore..

My load order:

 

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp=1

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm=1

Falskaar.esm=1

Ket_ARMONIZER_v2.esm=1

Omegared99-Compilation.esm=1

arnima.esm=1

RSkyrimChildren.esm=1

notice board.esp=1

Gray Fox Cowl.esm=1

moonpath.esm=1

JSwords.esm=1

BSAssets.esm=1

BSHeartland.esm=1

HighResTexturePack01.esp=1

HighResTexturePack02.esp=1

HighResTexturePack03.esp=1

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=0

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=0

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=0

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=0

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp=0

Wyrmstooth.esp=1

SkyUI.esp=1

MainMenu.esp=1

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1

WSCO - OcciFemaleVNL.esp=1

WSCO - OcciMaleVNL.esp=1

Purewaters.esp=1

Tamriel Reloaded HD.esp=1

CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp=1

Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp=1

Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp=1

AMatterOfTime.esp=1

iHUD.esp=1

RaceMenu.esp=1

RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1

AHZmoreHUD.esp=1

Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp=1

Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp=1

Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp=1

PerkUP-Block.esp=1

PerkUP-Smithing.esp=1

RSChildren.esp=1

WSCO - Better NPCs.esp=1

RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp=1

Differently Ebony.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1

Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp=1

DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp=1

GM-CookingRebalanceFinalHearthfire.esp=1

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp=1

dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp=1

BlackHorseCourier.esp=1

Falskaar - Notice Board.esp=1

3DNPC.esp=1

Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp=1

SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp=1

SoS - The Wilds.esp=1

SoS - Civilization.esp=1

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp=1

SoS - The Dungeons.esp=1

Balanced_Magic_Dawnguard.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1

Balanced_Magic.esp=1

Immersive Weapons.esp=1

Sutvaka2 - DG.esp=1

Ket_WEAPONIZER.esp=1

JKs Windhelm.esp=1

JKs Solitude.esp=1

JKs Whiterun.esp=1

JKs Riften.esp=1

Inigo.esp=1

quest_thebiggertheyare.esp=1

SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1

Ket_ARMONIZER_LListsNPC.esp=1

DragonmournInn.esp=1

HeljarchenFarm.esp=1

WindstadMine.esp=1

JKs Markarth.esp=1

quest_nomercy.esp=1

moonpath_questdata.esp=1

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp=1

LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp=1

Ghosu - Horker Weapon Pack.esp=1

AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp=1

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1

DeadlyDragons.esp=1

Unique Uniques.esp=1

CWIELnFXPatch.esp=1

DeadlyDragonsSpells.esp=1

Worlds Dawn.esp=1

UltimateDragons.esp=1

quest_seaofghosts.esp=1

flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp=1

PerkUP-OneHanded.esp=1

PerkUP-TwoHanded.esp=1

PerkUP-Alchemy.esp=1

PerkUP-Destruction.esp=1

ISCompendium Balanced Magic Patch.esp=1

PerkUP-Alteration.esp=1

PerkUP-Archery.esp=1

PerkUP-Sneak.esp=1

PerkUP-Conjuration.esp=1

PerkUP-Enchanting.esp=1

PerkUP-LightArmor.esp=1

PerkUP-Speech.esp=1

PerkUP-Illusion.esp=1

PerkUP-Pickpocket.esp=1

PerkUP-Restoration.esp=1

PerkUP-HeavyArmor.esp=1

PerkUP-Lockpicking.esp=1

ElisShackPro.esp=1

Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp=1

Provincial Courier Service.esp=1

ElisShack+PCS patch.esp=1

quest_pitfighter.esp=1

quest_sorcery.esp=1

ForgottenCity.esp=1

IngredientsOfTamriel.esp=1

WheelsOfLull.esp=1

quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp=1

mtMountainCabin.esp=1

MzarkWonders.esp=1

notice board - dragonborn patch.esp=1

Wrath Of Nature.esp=1

Ish's Souls to Perks.esp=1

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp=1

ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp=1

quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp=1

Gray Fox Cowl - Alternative Start.esp=1

RGMsAlchemistsCompendium.esp=1

JSwords_Load_Screens.esp=1

ASIS-Dependency.esp=1

ASIS.esp=1

portal2mod.esp=1

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1

What am I doing wrong?

Edited July 20, 2017 by dragonrykr

[SweblGustav1]

Hi dragonrykr!

 

I might have the sollutions for you.

Download all these three.

LOOT: https://loot.github.io/

TES5EDIT: http://www.nexusmods...im/mods/25859/?

Save game script cleaner: http://www.nexusmods...im/mods/52363/?

With LOOT you can sort your load order, because if they're in the incorrect order the mods may not work correctly and can cause CTD.

With TES5Edit it hopefully find a sollution for you if a mod file is missing or so, and it's really helpful.

With Save game script cleaner you can remove old scripts which can be left if a mod is removed from the game, and these scripts can cause these CTD.

Hopefully something will fix your problem when entering caves!

[dragonrykr]

As I said, I already used LOOT and TES5EDIT

I now used this savegame tool, but it detects 0 problems with all my saves (probably because I did not uninstall any mods as I am trying to be as safe as possible this year with these crashes)
Still getting the same results :/

[dragonrykr]

Now I have the same problem when entering the White Phial! This CTD blocks me from doing vital quests in my playthrough...

What should I do?

[dragonrykr]

Entering Northwatch Keep and Pelagius Wing also causes CTDs. Cannot do two more side quests!

Is this problem so uncommon that nobody knows how to solve it?

Edited August 30, 2017 by dragonrykr

[Ondrea]

Entering Northwatch Keep and Pelagius Wing also causes CTDs. Cannot do two more side quests!

 

Is this problem so uncommon that nobody knows how to solve it?

Yeah getting all these ctd's in so many areas is not common. I see you're using an older version of the unofficial patches (there's an all-in-one legendary version now), which may mean some of your other files were updated to fix issues. Make sure you have the most recent RaceMenu. There was a version a long while back that was causing some ctd's but it's been fixed.

 

I'd go through all your mods and see what's been updated. And also check the forums of each mod to check for any reported bugs similar to yours.

 

Also, check out this dangerous mods list. You're using PerkUp which apparently can cause issues with your game.

[dragonrykr]

 

Entering Northwatch Keep and Pelagius Wing also causes CTDs. Cannot do two more side quests!

 

Is this problem so uncommon that nobody knows how to solve it?

Yeah getting all these ctd's in so many areas is not common. I see you're using an older version of the unofficial patches (there's an all-in-one legendary version now), which may mean some of your other files were updated to fix issues. Make sure you have the most recent RaceMenu. There was a version a long while back that was causing some ctd's but it's been fixed.

 

I'd go through all your mods and see what's been updated. And also check the forums of each mod to check for any reported bugs similar to yours.

 

Also, check out this dangerous mods list. You're using PerkUp which apparently can cause issues with your game.

 

 

I am using the Legendary Edition Unofficial Patch, but for some odd reason it does not mention it in the Papyrus logs and instead the individual patches are loaded...

 

I had that RaceMenu problem a long while ago, but I'm using the updated version right now (and ever since I've had the CTDs)

 

Regarding PerkUP, I remember having it in my load order listed for years... I know some of its files are not fully clean, but the perks never caused much problem for me (and it would be very inadvisable to uninstall or replace the perk mod now, as I invested hundreds of hours in the character I'm playing with - I don't want to go through the entire reinstallation and replay thing again (it's traumatic really)). I don't understand how a Perk mod could cause location-based CTDs

[Kroekr]

 

 

I don't understand how a Perk mod could cause location-based CTDs

It could be due to a wild edit when the mod was created. I had a spell mod that caused a chunk of mountain to appear in a housing mod. You can try loading all of your mods in Tes5Edit and apply filter for conflict losers. Then go to the locations you have a CTD and see if something is overwriting those locations. It will tell you which mod is doing this at the top. You can then go to that mod (assuming wild edit here) and deleting the part that messes with those locations. Make sure you have Tes5Edit backup the file you are changing in case you Bork something worse.