Ayleid, Aldmer & Thalmor

[yota71]

If i remember correctly the heartland elves was a cruel race (responsably of the near destruction of Cyrodill) the same as the dwemer (deep elves) as far as we can see till now i understand (seeing also the thalmor) that the elves race are not so googd :)

Maybe with an expansion or with a new ES game we can understand who the elves are really (and no we will not see new dwemer asd)

Edited February 29, 2012 by yota71

[Lunder]

The Ayleids did control Skyrim for some time before the great Human uprising so there is no reason why Bethesda did not put in the ruins :)

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ayleid

[NoAardvarksAllowed]

The Ayleids did control Skyrim for some time before the great Human uprising so there is no reason why Bethesda did not put in the ruins :)

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ayleid

It's a bit muddled, as I see it. The source you quote says: "Throughout Cyrodiil many Ayleid ruins can be found". It says nothing about Skyrim or any other part of Tamriel. However, the wiki says "The Ayleids controlled the entirety of Cyrodiil, thanks to their mastery of magic and their alliances with the Daedric princes, and enslaved the Cyrodiilic and Nordic populations (which at that point were both part of the same prototypical race of men)." If they enslaved the Nordic populations, the Ayleid empire must have, at least temporarily, made incursions into Skyrim. So a ruin or two in the game could have made sense. Though, as others have said, I'd rather have seen some remnants of the Snow Elves' civilization before their fall. Maybe we get to in a DLC?

[leirynot]

The Ayleids did control Skyrim for some time before the great Human uprising so there is no reason why Bethesda did not put in the ruins :)

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ayleid

It's a bit muddled, as I see it. The source you quote says: "Throughout Cyrodiil many Ayleid ruins can be found". It says nothing about Skyrim or any other part of Tamriel. However, the wiki says "The Ayleids controlled the entirety of Cyrodiil, thanks to their mastery of magic and their alliances with the Daedric princes, and enslaved the Cyrodiilic and Nordic populations (which at that point were both part of the same prototypical race of men)." If they enslaved the Nordic populations, the Ayleid empire must have, at least temporarily, made incursions into Skyrim. So a ruin or two in the game could have made sense. Though, as others have said, I'd rather have seen some remnants of the Snow Elves' civilization before their fall. Maybe we get to in a DLC?

The one or two cities the Ayleids may have had in Skyrim could have been totally destroyed and forgotten, also, I agree that it would have been cool to see more remnants of the Snow Elves. I also fail to see why the Ayleid ruins have so much more allure than the Dwemer ones, the Ayleids are a lot closer to the general view of elves and all you would ever find were bandits or undead. The Dwemer are a lot cooler, they had robots, I say again they had ROBOTS!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, I am just a huge fan of steampunk stuff.

[eltucu]

and enslaved the Cyrodiilic and Nordic populations (which at that point were both part of the same prototypical race of men).

That needs a source. Never heard of the Ayleids slaving the nords (and no, Wikia isnt a trusted source, specially when you find things like that without a single reference). Hell, for all we know, while the Ayleids were conquering Cyrodiil, the nords were peacefully living among the Snow elves in Skyrim.

 

When the elves were the dominant force, Skyrim was inhabited by the Snow elves, when the elven races started to decay, Skyrim had a human kingdom already. The ayleids dont get into that picture, at least not if you want to picture them along humans.

 

Now if you want to make a cultural connection between them and the snow elves, that could have happened. But with humans i dont think so.

Edited February 29, 2012 by eltucu

[Lunder]

and enslaved the Cyrodiilic and Nordic populations (which at that point were both part of the same prototypical race of men).

That needs a source. Never heard of the Ayleids slaving the nords (and no, Wikia isnt a trusted source, specially when you find things like that without a single reference). Hell, for all we know, while the Ayleids were conquering Cyrodiil, the nords were peacefully living among the Snow elves in Skyrim.

 

When the elves were the dominant force, Skyrim was inhabited by the Snow elves, when the elven races started to decay, Skyrim had a human kingdom already. The ayleids dont get into that picture, at least not if you want to picture them along humans.

 

Now if you want to make a cultural connection between them and the snow elves, that could have happened. But with humans i dont think so.

 

Well yea they controlled all human kind (at least in Cyrodiil) the snow elves were long gone (fled to hammerfell & morrowind) but yea their ruins could be there?

 

but aargh! i want the Welkynd stones ooh and the Varla stones :D

[Dragten]

Thinking back to Oblivion, I seem to hate almost everything about it now.

Never liked Ayleid ruins, they just felt like... dungeons built for trapping and killing the future treasure hunters... Yeah, sure, sometimes there were some interesting burial chambers and even some public areas with benches, but that was it, AFAIR. For me, it did not feel like it could have been a city.

 

In my opinion, Skyrim does a much better job at giving the atmosphere and immersion than Oblivion. Actually, it is while playing Skyrim that I sometimes get the same feeling I was getting in Morrowind.

In Oblivion, almost all dungeons were generic, copy-paste places. But in Skyrim, everything is much well made, hand crafted. So many places that have a story that it is up for the player to discover. Unwritten story, which is told by just some things lying around...

 

On the Ayleid note, they never were in Skyrim. There are many books in Skyrim that tell about them.

 

And High Elves are Altmer, the Thalmor is one of the political parties of the Altmers, and Aldmeri Dominion is the empire, established by them.

[yota71]

And High Elves are Altmer, the Thalmor is one of the political parties of the Altmers, and Aldmeri Dominion is the empire, established by them.

 

I hope that a future expansion or even new Elder Scroll game permit us to destroy them all, they are dangerous, they must be destroyed :)

[Lunder]

And High Elves are Altmer, the Thalmor is one of the political parties of the Altmers, and Aldmeri Dominion is the empire, established by them.

 

I hope that a future expansion or even new Elder Scroll game permit us to destroy them all, they are dangerous, they must be destroyed :)

 

I completely disagree. Thalmor must be destroyed by the elves themselves in a revolution otherwise we would encourage a race war - like the Great war

[magiii]

And High Elves are Altmer, the Thalmor is one of the political parties of the Altmers, and Aldmeri Dominion is the empire, established by them.

 

I hope that a future expansion or even new Elder Scroll game permit us to destroy them all, they are dangerous, they must be destroyed :)

 

I completely disagree. Thalmor must be destroyed by the elves themselves in a revolution otherwise we would encourage a race war - like the Great war

 

no i disagree. the aylieds are long since forgotten and destroyed. the snow elves are now some blind stupid creatures. the dunmers have been destroyed by both argonians and red mountain (not entirely but still) i think its time for the altmer now. men must conquer mer. they have been there for long enough