Sartori75 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 In all my playthroughs it seems the greybeards always point my to a dark path, I think they want you to kill the emperor. I could be wrong but damn those guys are strange. They would rather the world end then for you to defeat Alduin. And do they ever refer to Talos as a deity? I think they only see him as an emperor. Correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skagens Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 The Grebeards are a peaceful order, not using their Thu'um to augment their martial skills, but to worship and honor the gods, as the "Way of the Voice" decreed. One could view them as the closest thing Tamriel has to monks. They are pacifists, and tend to stay out of matters that don't concern them. They are there to guide the Dragonborn and offer assistance and wisdom as well as they can. The war and politics overall are not matters that concern them, so they don't have to voice their opinions on such matters, if they even have any. As for the matter regarding Alduin, destiny is difficult to interpret. It could be your destiny to stop Alduin or it could be the world is meant to end. And if the world is meant to end, let it end. They accept destiny as is, not as they feel it should be. I'm not sure where you got the notion that they want you to kill the emperor but this is certainly not the case, they are not assassins. The Greybeards have no hidden motive behind their actions, they exist to guide the Dragonborn. I'm not sure whether or not they see Talos as a deity or not, I don't recall them voicing an opinion on the matter. Perhaps they do, perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drach Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 as all isolationist orders they are twisted and think themselves better, because they meditate on things and have a lot to say about stuff they have no actual experience with typical cloistered monk attitude - arrogant and totally useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skagens Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 as all isolationist orders they are twisted and think themselves better,because they meditate on things and have a lot to say about stuff they have no actual experience withtypical cloistered monk attitude - arrogant and totally useless They are an ancient and honored order of secluded monks who follow the Way of the Voice, the philosophy which teaches us to use the Thu'um in worship to the gods. The only people I've heard Arngeir voice disdain for is Ulfric and the Blades.Ulfric, because he uses the Thu'um as a weapon, which goes against everything the Greybeards were teaching him at High Hrothgar.The Blades, because they view the Dragonborn and his powers as one single thing, a weapon. They try to use you against the Greybeards and your power against the anyone who oppose the Blades.They meditate a lot but contrary to what you say, they themselves say very little. They have no ulterior motive, they guide and offer their wisdom to the Dragonborn. What the Dragonborn does with this wisdom is up to them. I'm not sure what monks you've been speaking with but the only arrogant one here so far is you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drach Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 but they do, or more precisely Arngeir doses have an agenda and gets reprimanded by other monk (Borri was it?) I'm not sure what monks you've been speaking with but the only arrogant one here so far is you. enough to dislike the type, and yes I've met few exceptions, but those were not isolated, they lived life not contemplated it with harsh disdain to others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skagens Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) but they do, or more precisely Arngeir doses have an agenda and gets reprimanded by other monk (Borri was it?) This is a scene I must've missed. If I remember correctly, Arngeir is the speaker for the Greybeards since the other members can't speak since their voices are too powerful. I see Arngeir as a guide rather than someone with an agenda. He steers you away from the Blades because they are messing with affairs they know nothing about, all the know is violence. He guides and counsels in a way by which he feels are in the Dragonborns best interest, not because it is in his best interest. enough to dislike the type, and yes I've met few exceptions, but those were not isolated, they lived life not contemplated it with harsh disdain to others I can't speak for you but the only monks I've actually met are Buddhist monks and the ones I've met are simple people wanting to live a life of peace. Sure, they would love if everyone saw things their way and also lived their lives accordingly but the ones I've don't hate or feel disdain towards others. In my experience, Buddhists overall are pretty chill. Edited August 10, 2017 by Skagens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVampireDante Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Certain dialogue choices with Arngeir lead him to backtalk you, something about loosing your way and that they refuse to help until you're back on path if I recall. One of the others calls him on it and reminds Arngeir that he doesn't get to decide whether they help or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skagens Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Certain dialogue choices with Arngeir lead him to backtalk you, something about loosing your way and that they refuse to help until you're back on path if I recall. One of the others calls him on it and reminds Arngeir that he doesn't get to decide whether they help or not. How about that, you're right. Just read on the wiki that if you say to Arngeir that you have chosen to kill Paarthurnax, he will give you the scolding of a lifetime, and thereafter refuse to speak with you. I have over 1000 hours played and had no idea about this, I guess I just never felt the need to kill Paarthurnax. Well then yes, this does make Arngeir a bit biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartori75 Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 Well I guess what you guys said makes sense, they have no agenda it is up to the DB to decide his fate and destiny. I think they just look at the path you are going and send you towards word walls that somehow pertain to you...IDK Anyway thanks for the replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drach Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I can't speak for you but the only monks I've actually met are Buddhist monks (...) pretty chill mine were roman catholic... varied from mildly hostile to fire and brimstone for all sinners, no chill at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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