Problems with using HDT and TBBP together

[DavinaJo]

I'll keep this short and sweet, The problem i'm having envolves HDT and TBBP physics actual problem in game is that nodes in Groovetama's Skeleton don't (for a better lack of terminology) grow (the area of effect in this case the body mod). To clarify what is happening the script calls for area(s) to change shape but when the HDT and TBBP do what ever it is it does to change mesh (i assume is what is altered) you can see it do it but then it reverts . I don't know if this is caused by the Havok engine (HDT) or conflict with TBBP.

 

 

 

 

Here is List of mods I use:

 

 

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0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
3 3 Dawnguard.esm
4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
5 5 HearthFires.esm
6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
7 7 Dragonborn.esm
8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
9 9 SexLab.esm
10 a TERAArmors.esm
11 b hdtHighHeel.esm
12 c Havok Breast Physic.esm
13 d BeeingFemale.esm
14 e ApachiiHair.esm
15 f ApachiiHairFemales.esm
16 10 SexLabAroused.esm
17 11 Devious Devices - Assets.esm
18 12 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
19 13 AsharaMerchantNPC.esm
20 14 sejhythpeople.esm
21 15 RaceCompatibility.esm
22 16 BBLuxurySuite.esm
23 17 ZaZAnimationPack.esm
24 18 Devious Devices - Integration.esm
25 19 LorecraftESM.esm
26 1a UndergroundBathhouse.esm
27 1b Skyrim Adventurer's Tent.esm
28 1c FM - HaafingarHall.esm
29 1d GeneralStores.esm
30 1e zzEsSp.esm
31 1f Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
32 20 HighResTexturePack01.esp
33 21 HighResTexturePack02.esp
34 22 HighResTexturePack03.esp
35 23 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
36 24 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
37 25 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp
38 26 ADV HB-Style.esp
39 27 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
40 28 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
41 29 Book Covers Skyrim.esp
42 2a RealisticWaterTwo.esp
43 2b beyond_skyrim.esp
44 2c Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
45 2d floofy crafting.esp
46 2e RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
47 2f AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
Havok Breast Physic.esp
48 30 Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp
49 31 RaceCompatibility-Dialog-Legendary.esp
50 32 Phenderix Magic World.esp
51 33 testcell.esp
52 34 ESFCompanions.esp
53 35 GardensOfWhiterun.esp
54 36 Immersive Weapons.esp
55 37 WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
56 38 Freedom of Speech -- Dawnguard.esp
57 39 Freedom of Speech.esp
58 3a Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
59 3b Tera Armor Level List.esp
60 3c artifactoverhaul.esp
61 3d Aella.esp
62 3e RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
63 3f SMIM-Merged-All.esp
64 40 NPR 4.0 w Unarmed Compatibility by Budcat.esp
65 41 roof-jumping treasure mod.esp
66 42 Escape the Cell.esp
67 43 Island Hobbit Home.esp
68 44 Lorecraft - Vanilla.esp
69 45 DBM_IWIA_Patch.esp
70 46 smithing&clothings_variety_mod.esp
71 47 SummerSkyrim.esp
72 48 SejhPlayerHouses2.esp
73 49 craftable.esp
74 4a HarvestOverhaul.esp
75 4b ImprovedFishBASIC.esp
76 4c HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp
77 4d jh_people2.esp
78 4e navi.esp
79 4f HarvestOverhaulCreatures_RND_Animal_Loot_All_DLC.esp
80 50 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
81 51 BBLuxurySuiteExt.esp
82 52 missingapprentices.esp
83 53 SexLab_Dialogues.esp
84 54 FM - HHall Exterior.esp
85 55 fjorinstomb.esp
86 56 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
87 57 BBLSVisitors.esp
88 58 HN66 SLEEK Outfits.esp
89 59 quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp
90 5a SOS - Shop.esp
91 5b ttllship.esp
92 5c (ndc)idemdallsfolly.esp
93 5d SexLab_Hormones.esp
94 5e HoldBorderBanners.esp
bassem's better gauldur amulet ^a01.esp
95 5f elderscrollonback.esp
96 60 BBLSHousecarlsmovein.esp
97 61 YouseiSanBecome.esp
98 62 HousecarlDialog.esp
99 63 battledress armor.esp
100 64 bosmerarmor.esp
101 65 Bouncy-Bodices-Booties-Belts-Stockings.esp
102 66 Water Destruction.esp
103 67 SkyUI.esp
104 68 RaceMenu.esp
105 69 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
106 6a ADV GenStoresPlugin.esp
107 6b FNIS.esp
108 6c KS Hairdo's.esp
109 6d RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
110 6e SlaveTats.esp
111 6f SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp
112 70 SexLabZzz.esp
113 71 AMatterOfTime.esp
114 72 Fh hairs-by zzjay.esp
115 73 SummerSkies.esp
116 74 SummerAnimals.esp
117 75 BetterSwimming.esp
118 76 fredzep's housecarl mod.esp
119 77 roninslydiaoverhaul.esp
120 78 Sit Anywhere.esp
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
121 79 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
122 7a Animated Fairy Wings.esp
123 7b Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp
124 7c Companions Radiant Quest Adjustment.esp
125 7d 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes_HighSpawn.esp
ImprovedFishBASIC-RND.esp
126 7e MECR_Find_Crab_Meat_on_Mud_Crabs.esp
127 7f FS_UltimateAssortment.esp
128 80 Saber Armor.esp
129 81 SexLabSquirtR.esp
130 82 P1FlyingRing.esp
131 83 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
132 84 Merta Assassin Armor.esp
133 85 Merta Assassin Tattoos.esp
134 86 MidnightArmorUNP.esp
135 87 Ursine Armor Pack.esp
136 88 Witch Elf Armour.esp
137 89 dragonborn with lute.esp
138 8a RaceMenuOverlayCompilation - UNP.esp
139 8b AK_RM_PubicStyles_All_In_One.esp
140 8c FreckleMania.esp
DBM_WAFR Patch.esp
141 8d DBM_CCOR_patch.esp
142 8e DftT.esp
143 8f DftT-NGP-WTLS.esp
144 90 DftT-NoGreenPact.esp
145 91 DftT-WTLS.esp
146 92 RND_AnimalLoot.esp
RND_USKP-Patch.esp
DBM_RND_Patch.esp
DBM_CCF_Patch.esp
DBM_ESFCompanions_Patch.esp
147 93 Alfar.esp
148 94 iHUD.esp
149 95 PumpingIron.esp
150 96 CaesiaFollower.esp
CCF_RND_Patch.esp
151 97 FM - UNP Merchants.esp
152 98 FM - UNP Merchants HDT.esp
153 99 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
154 9a dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
155 9b The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
Babette.esp
Havok Breast Physic Dragonborn.esp
Havok Breast Physic Dawnguard.esp
156 9c NatildesFaceOptions.esp
157 9d BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
158 9e Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
159 9f ub_npc_rework.esp
160 a0 ub_cell_bedroom.esp
161 a1 ub_cell_dislayroom.esp
162 a2 ub_cell_cavern.esp
163 a3 ub_cell_maintenance_room.esp
164 a4 ub_cell_kitchen.esp
165 a5 ub_cell_armory.esp
166 a6 ub_adoption_hearthfire_extention.esp
167 a7 ub_invite_any_npc.esp
168 a8 ArodAlchemyAnalyzer.esp
169 a9 Tembtra Thief Armor.esp
170 aa HerbalTea.esp
171 ab RND_HerbalTea-Patch.esp
172 ac leia.esp
173 ad Animations.esp
174 ae Alienzerox Force Fields Redux.esp
175 af armored nocturnal robes.esp
176 b0 UIExtensions.esp
177 b1 AddItemMenu.esp
178 b2 12FemaleBrows.esp
179 b3 jh_dawnguard.esp
180 b4 JH_dragonborn.esp
181 b5 jh_ELF.esp
182 b6 SGEyebrows.esp
183 b7 JH_Companion.esp
184 b8 banditfemale.esp
185 b9 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
186 ba NPC Body Scale Randomizer.esp
187 bb SexLab_SOS-Stapon.esp
188 bc SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
189 bd Devious Deviants.esp
190 be SOS - Hormones UNP Addon.esp
tGBoA-4_volumes.esp
191 bf XPMSE.esp
192 c0 SOSRaceMenu.esp
193 c1 JK Crafting Breakdown.esp
194 c2 JK Crafting Breakdown - Dawnguard.esp
195 c3 JK Crafting Breakdown - Dragonborn.esp
196 c4 AmbrosiaFashions.esp
197 c5 AmbrosiaFashionsMerchantEdition.esp
198 c6 master alchemy book.esp
199 c7 Michelle.esp
200 c8 Lyla.esp
201 c9 Misha.esp
202 ca Amanda.esp
203 cb bluearchmage.esp
204 cc TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
205 cd UNP Jewelry.esp
206 ce Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
207 cf FionaOutfit.esp
208 d0 Bikini-MTM.esp
209 d1 AsharaDimonizedDress.esp
210 d2 AsharaImperialOutfit.esp
211 d3 AsharaPartyOutfit.esp
AsharaWeddingOutfit.esp
212 d4 AsharaRomanticOutfit.esp
213 d5 PerrineFollower.esp
214 d6 UNP Boots.esp
215 d7 UNP Boots 02.esp
216 d8 UNP Boots 03.esp
217 d9 UNP Leather Clothes.esp
218 da UNP Pantyhose.esp
219 db UNP Simply Clothes.esp
220 dc Isharas_PetrovichClothes.esp
221 dd UNP Undies.esp
222 de Kanna_Follower_01.esp
223 df RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
224 e0 FairyRace.esp
225 e1 PixieRace.esp
226 e2 CuteElves.esp
227 e3 EpicElves by zzjay.esp
228 e4 LunariRace.esp
229 e5 HN66-1_Litheria_BBP_OUTFITS.esp
230 e6 BBLSspouse.esp
BBLSapachii.esp
231 e7 FlowerGirls.esp
232 e8 godgearandglorybook.esp
233 e9 Gwelda Armor Pack.esp
234 ea R18Pn - Inner Wear Set.esp
235 eb Light Elven Armor.esp
236 ec Apropos.esp
237 ed Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
238 ee Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
239 ef ccas_starts.esp
240 f0 SexLab-Stories.esp
241 f1 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
PatchusMaximus.esp
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P.S. There are mods which affect HDT but aren't listed in Plugin side , they are most notably animation mods which I'll list here

 

 

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Beeing Female
Sexlab-Harmones
UNP TBBP adds belly nodes
HDT Bounce and Jiggles UNP (several plugins one may conflict with above mod
Natural Breast Animation

 

 

also KS Hairdos- HDT Physics /KS Hairdos HDT Physics - HDT BBP Fix

 

 

[fore]

You cannot properly use HDT and BBP together.

 

BBP is purely animation driven. And therefore BB(P) only exists for breast and butt movement. That has NOTHING to do with physics to begin with, and therefore the name BBP actually is nonsense. But it was defined that way by the first creator of a breast bouncing mod (CHSBHC). Because the vanilla body does not contain breast and butt bones (to make them move with animations), the BB(P) mods had provide a skeleton with such bones. And body and armor meshes that allow deformation caused by the animation/skeleton in these areas.

 

HDT uses the Havok Physics engine to calculate the actual physical impact of the character's movement of the different body parts, and applies this data in realtime. Therefore breast and butt movement (deformation) are much more natural, and additional body parts (hair) and other objects (like capes) are possible. And it is in all ways superior to BB(P).

[DavinaJo]

@Fore Thankyou for you reply however, it doesn't explain why(if any) why belly and breast growth needed for Pregnacy mod (Beeing Female) don't work as intended. I've install the mods needed to make it work but there is something not working right.

 

I suppose i should direct this to Mod Author of Beeing Female.

[Gulfwulf]

I would either use CBBE or UUNP (special for the working vagina or HDT for just the belly node) via Bodyslide so your meshes will have the right bones. For the skeleton, grab XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended - XPMSE and install the HDT skeleton (you don't need to install the creature skeletons, but they won't affect your game if you do). If you go with UUNP, grab UUNP Vanilla Outfits Bodyslides and TCf and Vanilla Skyrim Bodyslided ( UUNP HDT ) so your vanilla outfits will show the pregnancy belly. I believe CBBE already has this, so you can use BodySlide to convert your armors and clothing without needing to get updated files (I think). If the bouncing is too unrealistic for you, grab Naturalistic HDT bouncing and have it overwrite what it asks to (If you're using MO, give it a higher priority). Note you will need HDT Physics Extensions for the HDT stuff to work properly. Also, you'll need to run Fore's FNIS after you have everything installed. I hope this helps.

Edited August 16, 2017 by Gulfwulf

[Ibam2426]

Hey guys i have a problem with my belly and breast, when i keep using a cape/cloak at the same time my belly and my breast maybe butt too are growth. But if i unuse my cape/cloak my breast, breast, and butt are come back to my normal size. Please help, i using all in one hdt animated pussy and cloak of skyrim.