GratuitousLurking Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Hey, I need assistance. I've had the occasional, sporadic issues of my save games resulting in full-on CTDs at times. Usually it was the occasional autosave screwing up, but as of a recent runabout a lot of my saves, both auto and proper, are crashing me down to CTD after a short time in the loading screen. I'm still a little low on the modding totem pole, so I know little of advanced modding techniques, but I did hear of save-cleaning tools that may be of use for me in this situation? Would someone please direct me towards one? Also, a part of me is curious if this is a problem I keep having due to Mod Orginizer or some other mod situation that keeps triggering this weird hickup. Glancing into my Skyrim file there's no papyrus log I keep on hearing about, so I'm not sure what I'm missing there for the self-diagnosis problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapteyn Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 This is the save tool... http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363 Papyrus is virtually useless for diagnosing a CTD simply because by the time a critical error has occurred, not only has it stopped logging stuff but you're already looking at the desktop. It is concerned with scripts so unless it's a script which had some part in the crash it will mostly tell you nowt all. Give this thingy a try... http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/85443Failing that, this one... http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/78557 If it doesn't work then you might have to try starting a new game, at least to diagnose the problem. If you still have problems then you'll be looking at your mod load order. If you still have problems then you're looking at limiting memory usage, for example by compressing the texture files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GratuitousLurking Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 This is the save tool... http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363 Papyrus is virtually useless for diagnosing a CTD simply because by the time a critical error has occurred, not only has it stopped logging stuff but you're already looking at the desktop. It is concerned with scripts so unless it's a script which had some part in the crash it will mostly tell you nowt all. Give this thingy a try... http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/85443Failing that, this one... http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/78557 If it doesn't work then you might have to try starting a new game, at least to diagnose the problem. If you still have problems then you'll be looking at your mod load order. If you still have problems then you're looking at limiting memory usage, for example by compressing the texture files. I'm down to any modded textures I've added now back to either vanilla levels or at 1k mod textures. Realized my error when I (finally) removed the high-rez texture pack and all a sudden wasn't visibly lagging in the LotD Safehouse or around Whiterun anymore XD I'll give the save cleaner a try on my problem save, but also copypasted the load order to a secondary profile to try and test as well. Hopefully it goes a bit better, basically testing for funzies and all that. Be back in a mo and see if it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GratuitousLurking Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 Well already had Crash Fixes, Load Game CTD Fix didn't do anything for this instance, and now giving the save game cleaner a try. Sadly, not worked. Only thing I didn't try of the above was the older CTD fix but said it's obsolete to the other so not sure if should bother. Even with these fxies I tried the 'load earlier load late' trick, still getting a crash. Redoing my FNIS and Bodyslide to make sure that's not part of the issue. I didn't reinstall anything relating to them but what the hell, let's give it a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapteyn Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) That's good, the texture mods are all very grand but they increase the memory usage. I've got quad-core with 8gb of RAM and 2gb of GPU, and it's not performance I have any problems with but rather memory-related crashes. It could be bad RAM, I really dunno but I nailed the crashes one way or the other by alleviating memory use. But... I don't reckon that explains crashes on game load, normally memory-related crashes are due to data accumulating in the memory space as you're playing the game, especially in heavy places like Whiterun (even without any mods which increase its physical size or texture quality).Okay, so another thing to try if it comes down to it is to remove shadows...http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/16464I really think that is what did the trick for me, but my crashes were in-play rather than on-load.Also take a look at this tool...http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859Be careful with this editor, you need to know what you're doing with it. At least keep stuff backed up in case of a problem. What this is really good for is checking what sort of conflicts you have between your mods. Some are unavoidable due to what they do, if they replace stuff then of course there's a conflict but that's usually with the main Skyrim data - what we're concerned about is conflicts between different mods. So you can use this to establish what needs to go where in your load order. It can, if you really know what you're doing, be used to remove stuff from individual mods which cause a conflict, if removing it will not stop the mod from working as intended - I've done this through my entire mod list, I have very, very few red entries. I experience a crash rarely now compared to every 5 minutes a week ago, so between these few tools I've listed something worked - might for you, might not, that's Skyrim for ya. Edited September 2, 2017 by Kapteyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GratuitousLurking Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 Unfortunately, cleaning up my stuff to this point seems to have done nothing. Luckily I didn't delete more saves in my last save purge then I did break saves, so yey for that. ARGH. I feel like half of this s#*! may be ModOrginizer's fault, half-tempted to move Skyrim to Nexus Mod Manager because of this nagging feeling. Speaking of, it would appear my game started crashing somewhere a half hour after the next save, then two and a half hours worth of saves and autos after. Bleh, this is why I started to do a habit of saving and loading in the haven bag. All the way through the last major dungeon and both ends of it are broken, which makes me kinda sad, but hey, just means that hopefully this time it's not destroyed saves? :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapteyn Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I don't use any managers, I do it all manually because that way I know what's going on and everything's how I want it to be. So if anything does go wrong mod-wise, it's usually easy enough to know which it is. Every time I add a new mod I always open up TES5Edit to see how it's getting on with everything else, if it conflicts too much then I either move it in the load order, modify/delete what's conflicting or just delete the mod.Some mods have settings of course in the MCM, sometimes it's worth changing stuff to see if it helps. I think I was noticing problems with the Genesis mod because it seemed to be spawning bandits on rock faces and in rivers, this could've been causing problems with my 7 companions trying to waypoint to them. I disabled exterior spawns entirely so Genesis now only works in dungeons. OBIS however, that only seems to spawn things on passable land so it's all good. Those two mods don't conflict so far as TES5Edit is concerned, but when it comes to spawning bandits there could be issues so I probably nailed a problem or two in that respect.I dunno what else to suggest to be honest, Skyrim is so finicky at the best of times so it could be anything. One thing though, if you haven't already tried... go to your sound settings and change the quality to 44kHz or 48kHz (whichever it currently isn't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GratuitousLurking Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 Well by the looks of it, this entire character is screwed from this save anyway, as new saves made after it's just doing the same crash on load all over again >,< soyeah, swapping mod managers in my future, weeeeee..... Made sure to go elsewhere then where I was even to try and limit it happening again, but nooo, seems no matter what I'm screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapteyn Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Hello again. I just had a look at a few things because since I've installed the Legendary DLC the performance has dropped too much for my liking. Crashes are much rarer though which is good. But anyway, if you're still having problems try doing this... Set your monitor refresh rate to 60Hz. In your graphics control panel, if you have such an option, force V-Sync on - in my nVidia panel I've set this to adaptive half-rate. In SkyrimPrefs.ini set iPresentInterval to zero (this should be done as a test, it actually disables V-Sync I think but the graphics card settings might override it, I dunno... test it and change it as you need to). Also set bFull Screen to zero. Now download this SKSE plug-in... http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/40706 You'll be running in windowed mode but it will appear as though it's full-screen. This may not solve crashes but it might help if you have any performance issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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