Malchik Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Ebecad, I was tempted to delete your post because it is not of relevance to the topic. However I feel you are mistaken in your response and should be advised accordingly. The word 'the' is, as you no doubt know, the definite article, implying uniqueness of the noun that follows. The noun may be singular or plural as 'the ancient Greeks'. In either case the entity so described is 'unique' or a 'unique group'. By beginning your sentence 'The Daedric Dai-Katana' you imply that there is only one. It would have been grammatically accurate to use the indefinite article 'A Daedric Dai-Katana' or to qualify the unique group 'Daedric Dai-Katanas' by saying, for instance, 'One of the Daedric Dai-Katanas'. Therefore, whether or not you knew there was more than one Daedric Dai-Katana does not come into it. It is not what you posted. Cmac had every right to reply as he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvuruAgnost Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Quote: 1. Golden Saints are ONLY equipped with a Daedric Dagger, Netch Leathetr Shield, and a Daedra's Heart (no ebony shortsword there) Quote WRONG!!!! Golden saint`s have daedric longsword too. (or maybe it was a short sword dont remember :huh: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampede Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Actually I too have encountered Golden Saints with all manner of equipment on them, I've taken Ebony, Glass and Daedric items off of their corpses, although this might be dependant on the level of your character. Edit: I see Corbett can verify this as well. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Elf 2 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Go to Dren Plantation :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dradum_Fairoak Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Ebecad, I was tempted to delete your post because it is not of relevance to the topic. However I feel you are mistaken in your response and should be advised accordingly. The word 'the' is, as you no doubt know, the definite article, implying uniqueness of the noun that follows. The noun may be singular or plural as 'the ancient Greeks'. In either case the entity so described is 'unique' or a 'unique group'. By beginning your sentence 'The Daedric Dai-Katana' you imply that there is only one. It would have been grammatically accurate to use the indefinite article 'A Daedric Dai-Katana' or to qualify the unique group 'Daedric Dai-Katanas' by saying, for instance, 'One of the Daedric Dai-Katanas'. Therefore, whether or not you knew there was more than one Daedric Dai-Katana does not come into it. It is not what you posted. Cmac had every right to reply as he did. The Giant Tortoise lives for 200 years. Am I insinuating that there is only one Giant Tortoise in the world? No. Is it correct? Yes. While I appreciate it could be misconstrued (as it obviously has been), your rules are not necessarily right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 That is an accepted abbreviated form of The Giant Tortoise 'species' and refers to a specific group 'Giant Tortoise'. It certainly can be misconstrued by those who do not have English as a first language but not by others. You can equally say 'The Daedric Dai-Katana is a weapon that causes considerable damage.' Where the words 'weapon type' are assumed. In other words 'the' always refers to a unique item or a uniquely defined group. However you read it, the rule could not be applied to Ebecad's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor_Ike Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Since we are obviously caught up in THE subject of grammar as it applies to THE English language..... QUOTE: Therefore, whether or not you knew etc., etc. Is completely wrong, also. THE beginning of this sentence should have read "Therefore, whether you knew or not etc., etc." So there. And THE tortoise sentence was correct. I urge everyone, please, be sure of yourselves when you flame on others. The world is already an hostile enough place. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Okay, it is my fault this has gone off topic, please any further posts on topic. And Emperor_Ike, there is no flaming in my post, nor if you read what I said was there any suggestion that the tortoise sentence was wrong. If you look back over the posts you will observe that the discussion centres around Ebecad's post 'The Daedric Dai-Katana belongs to a Dremora in a Daedric ruin'. Even if you apply the plurality of type to the use of 'the', and I agree you can, there is only one way to read the sentence. However many Daedic Dai-Katana's there might be in the game THEY ALL belong to a Dremora in a Daedric ruin. As cmac pointed out, this is an incorrect assertion. And this is not a piece of pedantry. Whether or not you consider my sentence structure to be ungrammatical, the meaning is clear and anyone can understand it. The post under discussion was wrong. If anyone wants to continue to dispute this with me, please do it by PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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