Help diagnosing a CTD on opening random containers

[Gemoll]

Usually the game will crash the moment I press E. Sometimes I get a glimpse of the container menu before the crash happens (I haven't spotted any unusual items, or ones related to a particular mod). In one case (a dead Draugr) I could view the inventory, but the moment I moved the mouse or pressed an arrow key it would consistently crash.

I've tried disabling every mod I can think of that adds items, Wrye Bash's bashed patch, and all interface mods, but the crashes persist. Most containers are fine, but the ones that do crash will always crash. However I've found that when going back to older saves for testing, the crashes when looting dead creatures would sometimes fix themselves. So I'd load a save right before a fight, kill the creature and loot it, and the game would consistently crash; but if I loaded a save from the start of the dungeon -- same cell, creatures already spawned, presumably -- it would be fine. Broken containers remain broken no matter what. So maybe I'm actually having two separate problems? :/

Affected containers have included: A random dead Skeever (the others in the same room were fine), a random dead Draugr (ditto), a burial urn, and a large sack.

Here's my load order. I'd be very grateful if someone could point me in the right direction. Or maybe there's a known issue with some mod that I'm unaware of?

 

Edit: It's gems. Any gem will crash the game if I try to view it. If I add a gemstone to my inventory using the console and then try to open the "misc" tab, I get a CTD. Does anyone know what could be causing this?
Also, is there some way to change your thread's title short of, like, reporting yourself and asking a moderator to do it? :huh:

Edit: It's Distinct Interiors. Which seems bizarre, but there you go. On a new game with nothing enabled but Distinct Interiors and Alternate Start, gems will reliably crash the game. If I disable Distinct Interiors, the problem goes away. vov

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 BSAssets.esm
7 7 BSHeartland.esm
8 8 BS_DLC_patch.esp
9 9 Campfire.esm
10 a SSE - Quartersized Textures.esm (I use Painterly ENB, so I can't see texture detail anyway, and this speeds up load times :tongue: )
11 b Cutting Room Floor.esp
BlendedRoads.esp
12 c dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
13 d UnreadBooksGlow.esp
14 e beltfastenedquivers.esp
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp
15 f ORM-Arvak.esp
16 10 BoundArmor.esp
17 11 No NPC Greetings.esp
18 12 Soulbug.esp
19 13 AskTheWay.esp
20 14 When Vampires Attack.esp
21 15 PyP_Legendary.esp
22 16 Distinct Interiors.esp
YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
23 17 ApepiBetterCollege.esp
24 18 ImprovedRoads.esp
25 19 Increased Enemy Spawns - 2x.esp
26 1a Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp
27 1b WZTamrielic Culture.esp
28 1c Settlements Expanded SE.esp
29 1d Skyrim Better Roads - The Rift.esp
30 1e SC08WayshrineTamriel.esp
31 1f ancient watchtowers.esp
32 20 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
33 21 mrbs-uniqueloot-se.esp
34 22 CommonClothes.esp
35 23 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
36 24 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
37 25 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
38 26 NAT.esp
39 27 UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
40 28 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
41 29 Skyrim Better Roads - EastMarch.esp
42 2a CRF - Lighting Overhaul.esp
43 2b SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp
44 2c ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp
45 2d Whitewatch Tower.esp
46 2e Windhelm Docks Pathways SE.esp
47 2f SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrimSE.esp
48 30 SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrimSEBruma.esp
49 31 Oblivion Gates Remade.esp
50 32 TSR_TeldrynSerious.esp
51 33 Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp
52 34 Run For Your Lives.esp
53 35 Cloaks.esp
54 36 Raven Rock.esp
55 37 Inigo.esp
56 38 Dolmen Ruins.esp
57 39 Swamp - Poison bloom.esp
58 3a QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp
59 3b Skyshards.esp
60 3c MainlandStalhrim.esp
61 3d PsijicTeleportSpells.esp
62 3e Skyrim Chimneys.esp
63 3f PatronGodsOfSkyrim.esp
64 40 notice board.esp
65 41 WheelsOfLull.esp
66 42 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
67 43 mihaildovahfly.esp
68 44 AK - Modesty Mod.esp
69 45 Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp
JZBai_PracticalFemaleArmors.esp
70 46 Comprehensive Sleeves Pack.esp
71 47 Comprehensive Sleeves Pack - Ancient Nord Armor.esp
Fusax2.esp
72 48 ExtendedStay.esp
73 49 PracticeSoulGemsNoPerks.esp
74 4a Heart Breaker SE.esp
75 4b sandboxcylinderheight.esp
76 4c Perk Point Awards.esp
Level Rate -Slow And Steady.esp
77 4d Aurora - Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
78 4e Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp
79 4f CMD Ashman's Rill.esp (One of my own, just a house mod. I've cleaned it.)
80 50 EasierRidersDungeonPackSSE.esp
81 51 DwemerSpectresLegendary.esp
82 52 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
83 53 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
84 54 HoldBorderBanners.esp
85 55 Equippable Tomes.esp
86 56 Settlements Expanded SE - Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges Patch.esp
87 57 Enlightened College of Winterhold.esp
88 58 Gildergreen Regrown.esp
89 59 Equippable Tomes - Campfire Add-On.esp
90 5a ExtendedStay - Campfire Add-On.esp
91 5b Teleportation.esp
92 5c Heart Breaker SE - Book Menu.esp
93 5d Dawnguard&VolkiharArtifactsQuests.esp
94 5e Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
95 5f Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
96 60 Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
97 61 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
98 62 Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp
Combat Regen.esp
SeptimNotGoldWeightless.esp
99 63 Better Candlelight.esp
100 64 Mortal Enemies - Rival Remix.esp
101 65 NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
102 66 Cliffracers_Solstheim_SSE.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
103 67 Dr_Bandolier.esp
104 68 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
105 69 imp_helm_legend.esp
Perfect Legionnaire - Full Helmet.esp
106 6a Semi-Open Guard Helmets SE.esp
107 6b SuffocateSpell.esp
108 6c coveredcarriages.esp
YOT - Campfire.esp
Activators.esp
PotionRackResource SE.esp
PotionRackResource SE - DB.esp
109 6d Oblivion Gates Remade - Map Markers.esp
Oblivion Gates Remade - 1st Person Messages.esp
110 6e VioLens SE.esp
111 6f VioLens SE - Book Menu.esp
112 70 manny_eyeglasses.esp
113 71 UltimateLoreLoadingScreen.esp
114 72 1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
115 73 RGMsAlchemistsCompendium.esp
WhitePhialBetterAlignments.esp
116 74 ApepiCRFpatch.esp
infiniteblessing.esp
117 75 AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp
118 76 Brigandage.esp
119 77 TeleportationToSoulCairn.esp
CMD Soul Cairn Base.esp (Another one of mine. It's disabled.)
120 78 SideDragonPriestMasks.esp
121 79 undeadfx.esp
122 7a DynamicDungeonLoot.esp
123 7b MrB's-UniqueCoins.esp
124 7c NarrativeLoot - Open Books.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
125 7d infiniteCharge.esp
126 7e Potions.esp
127 7f Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
128 80 MLU.esp
ISC Morrowloot Ultimate Simplified Patch.esp
129 81 Open Cities Skyrim.esp
130 82 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
131 83 Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp
132 84 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
133 85 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
134 86 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
135 87 Whistling Mine.esp
136 88 Windhelm Docks Pathways SE - Open Cities Skyrim Patch.esp
137 89 notice board - open cities patch.esp
138 8a RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
139 8b Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I also use QD Inventory, Better Dialogue Controls, Better Message Box Controls, and Better Console. I've set iTexMipMapMinimum=2 and iTexMipMapSkip=2 for extra blurry textures in combination with Painterly ENB.

Edited October 1, 2017 by Large Barge

[belenbelen]

Good to know, thanks for the feedback.

[nightscrawl]

Glad you got it worked out. But this just seems bizarre to me. How did you diagnose that it was Distinct Interiors? By disabling everything, and then enabling one-by-one? Did you ever enable the log in Skyrim.ini to see if it tells you what was causing it to crash?

 

To enable the log, add these lines to Skyrim.ini

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1

The next time you crash, a folder will be created in C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\Logs\Script. Inside will be a bunch of .log files. The most recent one will contain your crash info. When viewing the files, it helps to use a program like Notepad++ so everything is formatted correctly. If you use Notepad, it will be a jumbled mess, difficult to read. All entries are timestamped, so you should see what happened right when the crash occurred.

 

Of course, this doesn't always state the cause of a crash, so it's not a perfect solution, but it can be helpful.

[cdcooley]

Please don't spread this old myth. Skyrim doesn't have crash logs. The Papyrus log files tell you absolutely nothing about the cause of game crashes. They simply record messages (including errors) from the scripting system. When a crash occurs Papyrus is one of the first things to die so there's absolutely no way for it to tell you something about the crash. And worse yet turning the scripting logs on slows your system and is more likely to make your system crash. They only time you should have Papyrus logging turned on is when you are debugging scripting problems.

 

To enable the log, add these lines to Skyrim.ini

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1

The next time you crash, a folder will be created in C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\Logs\Script. Inside will be a bunch of .log files. The most recent one will contain your crash info.

[nightscrawl]

Please don't spread this old myth. Skyrim doesn't have crash logs. The Papyrus log files tell you absolutely nothing about the cause of game crashes. They simply record messages (including errors) from the scripting system. When a crash occurs Papyrus is one of the first things to die so there's absolutely no way for it to tell you something about the crash. And worse yet turning the scripting logs on slows your system and is more likely to make your system crash. They only time you should have Papyrus logging turned on is when you are debugging scripting problems.

Is this information published anywhere, like in a guide, excepting apparently in the minds of people that know better? I obviously thought it was a thing, since I've read about it here and there, on various places online, like this article. While it's true that that person doesn't necessarily have more knowledge than some other Skyrim user, having it presented it that way lends more authority than some random forum post. Such is the nature of the internet.

 

I learned something, so I thank you for that, but I wasn't intentionally spreading misinformation.

[Gemoll]

Glad you got it worked out. But this just seems bizarre to me. How did you diagnose that it was Distinct Interiors? By disabling everything, and then enabling one-by-one?

 

Yep. I decided to brute-force it because I was out of clever ideas. Fortunately Distinct Interiors was near the top of my load order, or I would still be at it. I agree that it's bizarre, but I can reliably reproduce the crash and haven't had a single one since removing DI. I've reported the bug, maybe the creators will have an idea.

Edited October 3, 2017 by Large Barge

[cdcooley]

 

Please don't spread this old myth. Skyrim doesn't have crash logs. The Papyrus log files tell you absolutely nothing about the cause of game crashes. They simply record messages (including errors) from the scripting system. When a crash occurs Papyrus is one of the first things to die so there's absolutely no way for it to tell you something about the crash. And worse yet turning the scripting logs on slows your system and is more likely to make your system crash. They only time you should have Papyrus logging turned on is when you are debugging scripting problems.

Is this information published anywhere, like in a guide, excepting apparently in the minds of people that know better? I obviously thought it was a thing, since I've read about it here and there, on various places online, like this article. While it's true that that person doesn't necessarily have more knowledge than some other Skyrim user, having it presented it that way lends more authority than some random forum post. Such is the nature of the internet.

 

I learned something, so I thank you for that, but I wasn't intentionally spreading misinformation.

 

Years ago it was posted in the official Bethesda forums (that are now closed). There's information about the Papyrus settings in the Creation Kit wiki and there should be mentions about it in various sticky posts here on the NexusMods forums (but it's been so long since I've read those I can't point you to anything specific). The problem is that mis-information never seems to disappear and is always just a Google search away.