New Nexus Mods design launched

[menathradiel]

In response to post #54677498. #54680143, #54686903, #54687293, #54688648, #54688928, #54689253, #54689373, #54689458, #54689713, #54689868, #54689943, #54690023, #54690088, #54690318, #54690618, #54690843, #54691443, #54691698, #54692043, #54692763, #54693868 are all replies on the same post.

menathradiel wrote: Have had a look at the new design and have to say: Why did you bork my description page? Why are you forcing every image to display on a new line even when in bbcode and wysiwyg editors they are not? It looks absolutely horrible, and makes me look like I put no thought or effort into my mod page. If I put two images on the same line, I do that for a reason. Yes, it's nice that the video is bigger, but you have every single one of my NPC pictures on a separate line, and they do not need it - this would be why I didn't do what you've essentially forced me to do.

Take a look at my nexus page for my mod on the old layout, and then the new layout, and then explain to me why you've made it look so excruciatingly bad on the new one, and why I can't fix it?

Battlestar1965 wrote: I did look at the two versions of your mod page. And i have to agree with you. It looks horrible now.Clearly, the designers had only mobile phone users in mind when doing this pointless redesign.

menathradiel wrote: ikr. Ugh. I'm probably going to have to spend time redoing the images to get it to display properly again.

fredlaus wrote: mena, I feel sorry for you and all others experiencing this travesty.
It is not only the images but the layout that is totally wrong - seems to have been made for the wrong site.
Decisions need to be taken I guess - it is extremely difficult to run two wagons at the same time - especially if you like to win the race.

Elianora wrote: Stop using images as text and write a text description. Image text description won't show up in Google searches so it impairs the way users may find your mod while searching the net, and people won't be able to Ctrl + F search through your description to find the information they need. People with reading and vision disabilities will have difficulty scaling or altering your description to their needs (colour / text size / etc.) because images don't scale or clear well.

Image descriptions are awful. Sure they may "look pretty" in some way, but they make it extremely hard to understand your mod's documentation.

menathradiel wrote: @Elianora: I have a text description. If you had bothered to even look at my mod page you would know this. I use images to supplement it - and btw, I do it for people like me, people on the autistic spectrum who need visual images because text is not enough. So I would kindly ask that you stop assuming things about me when you know absolutely nothing.

Dark0ne wrote: There are serious issues with image descriptions that Elianora has already brought up.

On top of that, if you refuse for whatever reason to do away with the image descriptions, it would be a lot better (for both you, and user experience in terms of loading times) to have it as one big image (or a few big images) organised however you like within the image itself, rather than a spliced up assortment of many, many smaller images that you then have to rely on the page formatting to organise.

Elianora wrote: I didn't say or assume ANYTHING about you. I said a thing about description images and mod pages and explained why they're terrible in the grand scheme of things. Stop overreacting and treating everything said as a personal insult and making this about you. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

pacfish wrote: To add to reasons: Google Translate doesn't work with images.

aufisch wrote: Menathradiel. I understand the need for more visual descriptions. I see that you included images of various locations including their names written on it. Couldn't you achieve the same by creating a largely text based description with much less images, and then just upload all these additional images to the image section, especially since you already have the images labelled with text overlays (so it is clear what they are)?

You can always refer to the image section in your description so the reader knows where to find more information.

ScrollTron1c wrote: Just a suggestion, merge your images exactly like you want them displayed - example

This only won't work if you additionally wanted each image linked to larger original images.

menathradiel wrote: @Elianora You are hilarious. When complaining about images you cite those with sight problems, but when it comes to people who need visuals... You might as well have said to shut up and stop complaining because this disability doesn't factor in your world view.

You are a hypocrite.

Elianora wrote: Oh so now it's about me, not about a mod description being accessible to as many users as possible. Alright. I see you're just looking for reasons to pick fights and be angry, so I'm walking away, I have mods to make, and stuff.

HomicidalGrouse wrote: Alright, I'm going to reiterate Eli's point using different words, because I don't think you understood it.

She wasn't telling you not to use images in your description. She was telling you that you shouldn't use text that is in the form of images in your description.

There's a huge difference, and the reasons for this difference are important. The first being the inability for search engines to parse text that is in the form of images. Another being the inability of translators to translate text in the form of images. Another is the inability of screen-readers to be able to read text that is in the form of images.

I'm having a really hard time understanding why text in the form of text and text in the form of images are somehow more or less readable for someone who has autism, as you claimed. The issue is not the layout or the use of actual images. The issue is the use of images as a way of displaying text.

Believe it or not, everyone here is actually trying to help you.

menathradiel wrote: @Dark0ne: "if you refuse for whatever reason to do away with the image descriptions"

Yes, I'll make all my mod description text only. Never mind those who need visual images, just so long as your new site works, eh?

You can explain to me all day what a thing is, I will not understand until I see it, and I include the seeing in my description. Never realised that this is a bad thing to do until you decided it was. My mod has been on this site for five years, with not a whisper, but now suddenly it's bad to have pictures. Not just bad, according to Elianora, I'm literally discriminating against people with sight problems by using pictures. A problem only now, not before. A problem, I'm willing to bet, only because I disagreed.

pacfish wrote: It's not autism .... oh god why. Autism does not prevent a person from reading though they might be angry with the points mentioned below but that's an entirely different story and I would hope someone would be there to calm them down and try to explain that it's like a "meme" and show them that it's okay.

It's blindness and screen resolution. When scaling the image up, it loses quality and thus can be harder to read. As it sits right now on my screen, the characters (letters) don't show all the normal pixels. The e's for example are missing the lower left hand corner of the curve and thus look weird and can produce unexpected results when trying to read them.
Yes blind people play games too. My friend plays on xbox on a 52 inch screen and sits about 20 inches from it, can't help but to say he'll burn his eyes out but I don't think he really cares since he literally can't see anything otherwise. He also plays for the story.

pacfish wrote: No, I hate the new site too... And I know I've used mods in the past that have a description setup just like yours, I was younger and the world was less offended by things back then.

Use images! They really do help. But don't include PLAIN text in them. Make the text bold and colorful so it stands out with a purpose. There is a REASON behind why this is the way it is. Give it some weight and meaning besides just explaining. A good example of okay text, maybe not the best color choice, would be the very first image in the description, another good example of text but may not the right font would be the Tilted Rigging (can't read the word Tilted and spell check was the word I chose to go with). The Old Windmill Inn is perfect aside from the text that is attached at the bottom.

menathradiel wrote: @pacfish

I would have preferred not to use images with text, but the only other format is tables, and they don't work here. I tried, a lot, to make the text not tied to the image by using tables but it always ended up totally borked. So I did the only thing I could.

menathradiel wrote: "Oh so now it's about me, not about a mod description being accessible to as many users as possible. Alright. I see you're just looking for reasons to pick fights and be angry, so I'm walking away, I have mods to make, and stuff."

I can't win the debate (because I have no argument that makes sense) so I'm going to flounce away and call you prejudiced in the hope it catches on. *skipping merrily*

pacfish wrote: Applaud you for hacking the problem, though find a better hack.
Maybe a google spreadsheet?
Tables in web design are terrible in general. Pain in the arse to use they are (at least back in 2008). Do tables work better with the dynamic design? Probably not... Since Dark is part of the discussion

SUGGESTION FOR NEW SITE: fix tables!

edit: best not to insight a riot and not post anything at all. No reason to fight on the internet, in mud pit with bikinis is much better.

menathradiel wrote: @pacfish
Can I load a google spreadsheet here? Even if I can, will it load for anyone else but me?

It's unreasonable to expect people to install something just so something else will work as it should, especially if that thing is a few pictures on a desc page.

pacfish wrote: That's the whole point of hacking. Do I think you could load google docs here? I don't know.
But I do know that they are visible if you choose to share them.
It was merely a suggestion as to how to attack the problem of poor formatting of tables. Beauty in hacking is that you come up with your own solution.

Not at all. I install windows because most of bethsda's games don't run well in a Linux environment. And I paid for windows... just for something as simple to play a game.
I install a different browser because Edge's cross site scripting is a "feature" just to do something as simple as view a webpage
I install an archive program to do something as simple as unzip archives because people upload their files in different formats and windows only natively supports .zip
I install steam because some of the games I play have DRM and that's just silly. (Probably will get in trouble for this but ... the pirates never had an issue with the Creation Club update and never will, their games also still works and was uninterrupted by the update, and any mods out there that don't rely on CC work just fine. Stating a fact of history shouldn't condone any actions from moderators/admins since punishing the person who stated the fact is saying you want to live in ignorance and forget the past).
I install SKSE to do something as simple as provide functionality to a game that Bethsda can't do right for the 5th time now.
I install MO Beta and live with the problems it has because it's original creator deserted us in favor of a real job that pays bills and puts food on the table.
I just suggested to Dark that he use JS to mine crypto currency instead of having ads on the website... and that's as simple as maintaining site availability and turning a profit (it's a .com)
So you see, asking someone to install something just to do something as simple as an image is more complicated than you think... There's a really bad meme from the 2000's about audio problems on linux where Google would suggest audio problems on windows. But you would have to install something just to get something as simple as an image to display (including a display of some kind)

We could compare notes on why your OS is difficult, but actually what this comes down to is you telling me that I should expect people to install something to make the internet work. If I want more than one image per line then I should not expect this site to work like any other, instead I should ask people to install an additional prog to make bbcode code here work as it does elsewhere.

I'm not going to do that. If it comes to it I will take my money, and my mod, elsewhere.

[HentaiGnome]

In response to post #54681838. #54682148, #54682403 are all replies on the same post.

HentaiGnome wrote: I rarely post comments but I feel like I have to chime in to counter all the hate that's going around right now. Good job, Nexus team. Thanks for maintaining this site as a go-to hub for modders and fans. Remember that the path to progress is moving forward, not backwards and holding onto old ways. Don't listen to the haters; given enough time, everyone will get used to the new layout and all the bitching and moaning will end.

Sonja wrote: You know what I actually "hate?"

The fact that these days, especially on the Internet, any criticism, even constructive criticism, is described as "hate."
There are some very legitimate issues with the new design, and there is really nothing wrong with people articulating their concerns.
Moreover, "progress" and "new ways" are not necessarily "good" in any given context.

DragonTotem wrote: "given enough time, everyone will get used to the new layout and all the bitching and moaning will end."
Just because people might stop talking about it, doesn't mean that they like it since their criticisms before must just have been some sort of phase.

"Don't listen to the haters"
So be ignorant?

This is a "soft launch" meaning that the devs are well aware of kinks that need to be ironed out. Our job is to report issues, which I see people are doing and that's good. YES, you can have your opinions (everyone is entitled to it) but when words like "I don't like..." or "I hate..." or "give me back the old layout" are posted it just wreaks of a what we collectively call "hating on".

I understand that progress and moving forward isn't always good, but the new layout isn't necessarily bad either. In fact, thanks to how it's been redesigned the layout is actually mobile-friendly for once. I think people just aren't willing to adapt to change. Sure, there are issues, but again that's why we report them.. it's really that simple.

[ezfreee]

not a fan.

[MrDave]

In response to post #54694978. #54695053 is also a reply to the same post.

bchick1 wrote: Everyone on this forum complaining needs to get a copy of "Who Moved My Cheese" and read it thoroughly. For goodness sake, you are acting like 12 year olds! or like our Government, which is worse.
You would think the Nexus site(s) were somehow crucial to your existence ..... snowflakes!

Ethreon wrote: Riiight.. people shouldn't raise concerns or criticism, they should shut up and take it. Way to go there mate.

Weabos are everywhere. :D Sad, sad little 50 cent brigade.

[HentaiGnome]

In response to post #54681838. #54682148, #54682403, #54696003 are all replies on the same post.

HentaiGnome wrote: I rarely post comments but I feel like I have to chime in to counter all the hate that's going around right now. Good job, Nexus team. Thanks for maintaining this site as a go-to hub for modders and fans. Remember that the path to progress is moving forward, not backwards and holding onto old ways. Don't listen to the haters; given enough time, everyone will get used to the new layout and all the bitching and moaning will end.

Sonja wrote: You know what I actually "hate?"

The fact that these days, especially on the Internet, any criticism, even constructive criticism, is described as "hate."
There are some very legitimate issues with the new design, and there is really nothing wrong with people articulating their concerns.
Moreover, "progress" and "new ways" are not necessarily "good" in any given context.

DragonTotem wrote: "given enough time, everyone will get used to the new layout and all the bitching and moaning will end."
Just because people might stop talking about it, doesn't mean that they like it since their criticisms before must just have been some sort of phase.

"Don't listen to the haters"
So be ignorant?

HentaiGnome wrote: This is a "soft launch" meaning that the devs are well aware of kinks that need to be ironed out. Our job is to report issues, which I see people are doing and that's good. YES, you can have your opinions (everyone is entitled to it) but when words like "I don't like..." or "I hate..." or "give me back the old layout" are posted it just wreaks of a what we collectively call "hating on".

I understand that progress and moving forward isn't always good, but the new layout isn't necessarily bad either. In fact, thanks to how it's been redesigned the layout is actually mobile-friendly for once. I think people just aren't willing to adapt to change. Sure, there are issues, but again that's why we report them.. it's really that simple.

There's a lot of things in life that we don't like, but we just deal with it. The devs could have easily just given up and said, "okay, screw Nexus Mods, we're done here." How about we show a little support, that's all.

[MrDave]

In response to post #54694898.

Decoy1975 wrote: Once the add redirect is corrected, I will using the new version. I had a day on it before the bug, and its very great.

If you keep yourself logged in via cookies, it shouldn't hit you again. It seems to only happen when clicking on the page while logged out.

[Dark0ne]

In response to post #54694898. #54696133 is also a reply to the same post.

Decoy1975 wrote: Once the add redirect is corrected, I will using the new version. I had a day on it before the bug, and its very great.

Mr. Dave wrote: If you keep yourself logged in via cookies, it shouldn't hit you again. It seems to only happen when clicking on the page while logged out.

We've pushed something that is supposed to fix the annoying ad issue. Can anyone confirm whether they're no longer getting the "click anywhere, get taken to an ad site" issue now?

[axonis]

I'll use this mod as a reference to my points. I'm using my personal computer for this review and I'll also try to write another one with my experience on my phablet.

 

REPORT is the first link in a mod's description. I don't think this button should be anywhere in a mod's description but placing it in such a prominent location may convey bad faith to mod authors. It's better to move this functionality in the same place with other Nexus administrative actions such as unban requests etc.

 

The DESCRIPTION tab now contains extra elements such as the short description, the SHARE button, Permissions and credits and Mirrors. Many mod authors, including myself, consider this page to be exclusive to their editing. For example I do include the short description in my long description but with additional formatting and links. Perhaps you can create an extra tab for all those details.

 

On the FILES tab, the MISCELLANEOUS FILES are collapsed. This makes browsing their descriptions difficult to read since I'd have to expand each and every one of them. On my mod this isn't a big issue since those files are patches and their name conveys what they are, but in some mods it's important for them to be displayed. Can you expand them by default or provide a button to do so for all files ?

 

On the IMAGES tab, I really don't think it's necessary to enforce the 16:9 ratio in images by displaying that gray background around them. Considering that Nexus supports all kinds of games and many games are not made for this resolution, you can simply remove the background. Of course you can keep your grid based on 16:9 if that's necessary.

 

The image preview is probably the weakest point of the new design vs the old one. Yes, it has bells and whistles, but for many mods, including my example, images aren't showcasing photos but screenshots and can include a lot of important details that the user is supposed to read. Try to see this image in the new design and the old design and you'll see that my comments are lost under the thumbnails bar. And even though I can hide the thumbnails, the function to do so isn't quite obvious and there are still header and footer overlays on my images. So, please try to find a solution to display images with a minimal amount of extra elements (the front/back arrows and a close button are OK).

 

Replies to comments at POSTS have a very narrow indentation and this makes it difficult to discern an original comment and replies to it. That should be easy to deal with by expanding the indent, but if you could switch to a threaded type of discussion like Reddit at some point that would be royal...

 

LOGS looks great but I would rather split Author activity, User activity (for uploaded media) and Endorsements into separate categories.

 

Finally, the footer section is too big and rather redundant to be displayed on a mod page. We already have the links at the header menu. This footer is fine on the main nexus page, but on our mods it can be safely removed or at least turned to a collapsed link.

 

The new design is overall impressive and a great improvement to the old. You had some real guts to allow the entire browser width to be used for text. I haven't seen that in a site for a long long time. Thank you.

Edited October 25, 2017 by axonis

[Kornelius707]

The old design is easier on the eyes. It's also more straight forward and simple. The new design has too much going on and tries to be like every other techy website that tries to be modern.

 

I hope the old desgin stays as an option lol.

The designers showed their skill, but I'm not on the little bandwagon of this change.

Edited October 25, 2017 by abc123guy

[TigerTankIT]

It's awesome, I wish there were an option to use the new UI as default :D