AI travel packages when unloaded

[SMB92]

I'll post any interesting settings in the spoiler below.

 

 

[Papyrus]

bEnableTrace=0

bAssertOnOverflow=0

bEnableProfiling=0

bLoadDebugInformation=0

iMaxStackDepth=100

iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=153600

iMaxMemoryPageSize=512

iMinMemoryPageSize=128

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0000

fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=1.2000

fUpdateBudgetMS=1.2000

sTraceStatusOfQuest=

bEnableLogging=0

[Pathing]

fActorAvoidanceDialogRadiusMult=2.0000

fMaxCommandTravelShiftMult=1.5000

bValidateTravelCommand=1

fMaxDistanceToPathToFurniture=500.0000

fActivateDoorFailedTimer=5.0000

fINIDetectDoorsForPathingTime=0.5000

fMinDistToWalkFast=500.0000

fMinDistToJog=1200.0000

fMinDistToRun=1400.0000

[Actor]

fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=4096.0000

fNotVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=2048.0000

bUseNavMeshForMovement=1

[MapMenu]

uiLocalMapRenderDelay=4

fMapMoveSpeedMult_G=65.0000

fLocalCompanionMapMinFrustumWidth_Interior=4096.0000

fLocalCompanionMapMinFrustumWidth=4096.0000

fLocalCompanionMapLoadedAreaRadius_Interior=4096.0000

fLocalCompanionMapLoadedAreaRadius=4096.0000

fLocalCompanionMapRatio=0.6300

fLocalMapMinFrustumWidth_Interior=4096.0000

fLocalMapMinFrustumWidth=4096.0000

fLocalMapLoadedAreaRadius_Interior=4096.0000

fLocalMapLoadedAreaRadius=4096.0000

uLockedObjectMapLOD=16

uLockedTerrainLOD=32

uiCompanionLocalMapMaxCells=5

bCullLocalMap=1

fMapLocalHeight=15000.0000

[NavMeshGeneration]

bGlobalNavMeshCheckDeleteWarningTriangles=0

bGlobalNavMeshCheck=0

uNavmeshTriangleCountInteriorWarnThreshold=5000

uNavmeshTriangleCountWarnThreshold=3500

bFixPortalEdgeindices=0

[AI]

iFramesBetweenClosePointRequests=10

bSandboxPathFailedDebug=0

bSandboxStandingEnterDebug=0

bSandboxSmoothPathDebug=0

fStandingEnterOnlyWeightMultiplier=0.5000

bEndOfPathTracksTargetWhenTargetNotFollowingPath=0

bUseTargetNotFollowingPathBehavior=1

bShowFurnitureExitMarkers=1

bShowFurnitureEntryMarkers=1

[Animation]

bUseVariableCache=1

bIgnoreNIFFlags=0

bShowPoseTransformWarnings=0

bRandomizeGraphSeed=1

fMaxSpeedAdjustmentPercent=2.0000

fSameBinAdjustment=0.0300

bDrawRagdollPoseInVDB=0

bDrawAnimPoseInVDB=0

bDriveRagdollWithGraph=1

bHandIK=1

bFootIK=1

fAnimInterpSlop=0.2500

fAnimInterpFarDist=1800.0000

fAnimInterpNearDist=1400.0000

fAnimInterpMaxTime=0.2000

fAnimInterpMinTime=0.0800

fBoneLODDistanceScale=1.0000

bAlwaysSaveAllInfo=1

sHkxDBNameContextPrefix=meshes\

bFootIKFeedback=1

bUseContoursToControlSpeeds=1

fControllerYOffset=0.5000

fControllerXOffset=0.5000

fControllerIronSightMult=0.4500

fControllerYSpeed=1.0000

fControllerXSpeed=0.9000

fControllerYMax=0.5000

fControllerXMax=0.5000

fDirectionSmoothedAcceleration=2.0000

fDirectionSmoothedMaxSpeed=0.2500

fPlayerFirstSpeedBlendOutTime=0.2500

fPlayerFirstSpeedDeltaSmoothedMaxAcceleration=10.0000

fPlayerFirstSpeedDeltaSmoothedMaxSpeed=1000.0000

fRotationSpeedBlendOutTime=1.5000

fRotationSpeedDeltaSmoothedMaxAcceleration=5.0000

fRotationSpeedDeltaSmoothedMaxSpeed=150.0000

fPlayerCharacterDrawSheatheTimeout=3.0000

iPlayerCharacterImagespaceModifierAnimCount=2

fFurnitureAnimationTimeout=24.0000

fFurnitureAnimationStartTimeout=10.0000

fApproximateDistanceToWalkSpeedFromStanding=25.0000

fFurnitureWalkingEntryMinAcceptableDistanceSq=60.0000

fMountDismountTimeout=8.0000

fSpecialIdlePickTime=250.0000

bAllowQueuedEventsSent=1

fMotionFeedbackMinTime=0.5000

fMotionFeedbackMinSpeed=5.0000

fMotionFeedbackMinAngleDelta=20.0000

fMotionFeedbackMinSpeedDelta=25.0000

bUseAnimationBoneLOD=1

bAssertOnBadMovementAngle=0

iMinBonesForForceMinimalBoneUpdate=3

iMinBonesToGenerateWhileSitting=5

fMaxFrameCounterDifferenceToConsiderVisible=0.0667

bAllowGraphDriven=1

bHumanoidFootIKEnable=1

bFeedbackToGraphFromCharacterController=1

bAnimInterpEnable=1

uVariableCacheSize=64

bSkipAnimationTextExport=0

bDisplayMarkWarning=0

fMaxTimeToMarkSec=3.0000

strPlayerCharacterBehavior1stPGraphName=FirstPersonBase.hkx

strPlayerCharacterBehavior1stPGraphPathAddition=_1stPerson\

fMaxVelocityAdjustPercent=0.3000

bApplyFootSyncVelocityChange=1

bValidateStanceData=0

iMaxAnimatedRefPhysicsDelayFrames=1

iMaxAnimatedRefDelayFrames=1

iMinAnimatedRefDelayFrame

[Combat]

bCombatPathSprinting=1

bCombatPathSmoothing=1

fMountedAttackRangeMultiplier=1.1000

fDebugCombatProjectileLOSTime=5.0000

bDebugCombatProjectileLOS=0

bDebugCombatLOS=0

fDebugCombatTextSize=0.5000

bDebugCombatTextColorDark=0

bDebugCombatThreats=0

bEncounterZoneTargetRestrict=1

bDebugCombatTargetLocations=0

bDebugCombatThreading=0

bDebugCombat=0

bDebugCombatDialogue=0

bDisableCombatDialogue=0

bDebugCombatCoverReservations=0

cImpactDecalMaxResults=10

fProjectileDefaultWaterSplashSize=10.0000

fProjectileMaxPenetration=120.0000

fProjectileNearMissDist=400.0000

fMostCommonProjectileCollisionRadius3=10.0000

fMostCommonProjectileCollisionRadius2=5.0000

fMostCommonProjectileCollisionRadius1=2.0000

bVATSProjectileDebug=0

fProjectileDebugDuration=5.0000

bProjectileDebug=0

bHazardDebug=0

cBeamProjectileMaxRaycastResults=5

fMagnetismObjHeadingMult=0.3000

fMagnetismObjLookingMult=0.0000

fMagnetismStrafeMinDistance=200.0000

fMagnetismInputRotationTargetMoveYawLimit=0.1000

fMagnetismSightsInputRotationTargetMoveYaw=0.4000

fMagnetismInputRotationTargetMoveYaw=0.4000

fMagnetismMeleeMovementLimit=0.4500

fMagnetismMeleeRotationYawLimit=0.6000

fMagnetismMeleeRotationPitchLimit=0.3000

fMagnetismSightsMovementLimit=0.4500

fMagnetismSightsRotationYawLimit=0.6000

fMagnetismSightsRotationPitchLimit=0.4500

fMagnetismInputMovementLimit=0.4500

fMagnetismInputRotationYawLimit=0.6000

fMagnetismInputRotationPitchLimit=0.3000

fMagnetismTargetSpeedMax=300.0000

fMagnetismFalloffExponent=0.7000

fMagnetismFalloffBorderMaxMult=15.0000

fMagnetismFalloffBorderMaxRange=6000.0000

fMagnetismFalloffBorderMinMult=0.0500

fMagnetismFalloffBorderMinRange=0.0100

fMagnetismFalloffBorderHeight=50.0000

fMagnetismSightsFalloffBorderWidth=100.0000

fMagnetismFalloffBorderWidth=100.0000

fMagnetismTargetScoreAngleWeight=6000.0000

fMagnetismMaxActorDistance=6000.0000

fMagnetismMinActorWidth=60.0000

fMagnetismZeroInputFalloffSec=0.3300

fTeammateAutoAimScreenMult=4.0000

fIronSightsZoomDefault=50.0000

bIronSightsZoomEnable=1

fAimChaseLookingMult=3.0000

fAimDownDegrees=90.0000

fAimUpDegrees=90.0000

fDeathForceCleared=1.0000

bPlayerAlwaysStaggered=1

bCombatDisableAmmoUsage=0

bPlayerUnequipAttackCondition=1

fDecapInitialSpeed=250.0000

bUseHitLocationAnim=1

fHitEffectThresholdMod=0.0400

fHitEffectThresholdSevere=0.0430

bDisableNPCAttacks=0

bPlayHitLocationIdles=1

bPlayStaggers=1

iMaxHiPerfCombatCount=4

fMinBloodDamage=1.0000

fHitVectorDelay=0.4000

iShowHitVector=0

bDismemberOneLimb=1

bChainExplosionDebug=0

bMagicDebug=0

fTeammateCommandMenuDegrees=16.0000

bDebugCombatPositionReservations=0

bDebugCombatAttackRange=0

bDebugCombatTargets=0

bDebugCombatViewLocations=0

bDebugCombatAimLocations=0

bDebugCombatUnreachableLocations=0

bDebugCombatArea=0

fAimModelPlayerSnapSpeedDeg=80.0000

fAimModelPlayerSnapTimeSec=0.4000

fAimModelPlayerSnapHeightPercent=0.7000

fAimModelPlayerSnapMaxDist=2000.0000

fAimModelPlayerSnapCapsuleRadius=85.0000

f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=2.5000

f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=2.0000

bForceNPCsUseAmmo=0

bAimSights=0

bLaserSights=0

[Explosion]

fMaxLinearSpeedAfterExplosion=2000.0000

[Pathfinding]

bPathFollowerTweenBackToPathCenter=1

fDistFromPathForFollowingRadiusMult=4.0000

fDefaultTangentSmoothingFactor=1.0000

fDefaultPreferredFactor=0.5000

iDefaultRetryCount=3

fMaxHeightFromObstacleBoxToToNavmesh=16.0000

fMaxHeightFromNavmeshToObstacleBoxBottom=128.0000

fSmoothingStepHeight=25.0000

fMaxDistanceFromNavmeshMult=0.2500

fPathingFaceTargetLenToSourcePadScale=1.2500

bAttemptMovementTransitionAnimations=1

bAttemptTurnToRunAnimations=1

bTweenToFullRotationSpeed=0

fMaxAngleToCrossBlend=45.0000

fMaxAngleToConsiderFacingAndDirectionAligned=0.7500

fMaxAngleDeltaToTurnInPlace=15.0000

bContinueTweeingAfterTweenerEnd=1

fMaxDistanceToOpenDoor=150.0000

bAvoidBoxTriggersFailure=0

fDefaultAvoidBoxAvoidNodeRadius=32.0000

bUseActorAvoidBox=1

fNavmeshBoundsActorRadiusMultiplier=1.0000

fNavmeshBoundsMinTimeOfImpact=0.0333

fAngleGainRotationSpeedMinScale=0.5000

fAngleGainSpeedMinScale=0.7500

fAvoidNodeCost=24.0000

fAvoidNodeRadiusAdd=11.0000

fMaxTimeBlockedByActors=1.0000

iMaxActorsToAvoid=10

fAvoidanceTimeDelta=3.0000

fMaxAvoidanceRadius=512.0000

fMinAvoidanceRadius=256.0000

fMaxTimeSizeAvoidNode=1.0000

fMaxDistanceMoved=5.0000

bUseActorAvoidance=1

fFlightBankScale=1.0000

fFlightStopGoalEaseInGain=0.1000

fFlightStopGoalEaseInScale=0.1000

fFlightDistToStopGoalForEaseIn=400.0000

fFlightTweenGain=0.1000

fFlightSpeedGain=0.0300

fFlightPathFaceTargetDistScale=1.5000

fSlowDownMultiplier=0.5000

bFacePathVector=1

fMaxCollisionTime=1.0000

fMinCollisionTime=0.2500

fDropDownLedgeMaxXYJumpDistance=150.0000

fTweeningMaxPercentSpeedDelta=0.2000

iMaxObstacleBuildPerFrame=1

iMaxAvoidBoxCheckPerFrame=2

fDefaultStaticAvoidNodeRadius=32.0000

fDefaultAvoidNodeCost=32.0000

fAcceptableErrorRatio=0.9000

fTotalDisplacementThresholdRadiusMult=0.6600

fTotalTimePadding=0.5000

fTotalTimeThreshold=1.0000

bStaticAvoidanceTriggerMovementBlocked=0

uiSmallNavmeshInfoPathSC=3

bUseTangentSmoothing=1

bUseRayCasts=1

bCreateDebugInfo=0

bUseStraightLineCheckFirst=1

fMaxFitnessMultiplier=2.0000

fWaterTriangleCrossingCostMultiplier=5.0000

fWaterTriangleCostMultiplier=4.0000

fMaxEdgeLength=512.0000

fBadTriangleMultiplier=100.0000

fAvoidPreferredTriangleCrossingMultiplier=10.0000

fAvoidPreferredTriangleMultiplier=3.0000

fPreferredTriangleMultiplier=0.0100

fPathingLargeActorRadius=80.0000

bShouldTryPathEndIdles=1

bShouldTurnBackToPathDuringFollow=1

fPathEndIdlePickLocationDistanceMult=2.0000

fAvoidanceDistanceRadiusMult=1.0000

uiMaxFailedUpdatesWaitingForPath=60

fTeleportNodeAngleTolerance=5.0000

fMaxDistFromPathRadiusMult=5.0000

fRotateTowardsPathThreshold=5.0000

fShortPathRadiusMult=2.0000

fBackPedalAngle=160.0000

fMinimalUsePathingCost=409600.0000

bWarnIfHighLevelSearchFails=0

fTweenerAnimDurationOffset=0.1000

bUseTweenedAnimations=1

fWrongRotationalDirectionAdditiveToTies=0.2000

fWeightOfSpeedPercentageToTies=0.2000

fWeightOfMovementAnglePercentageToTies=0.3000

fWeightOfOrientationPercentageToTies=0.5000

fMaxAcceptablePercentStartSpeed=2.0000

fMaxAcceptablePercentDesiredSpeed=2.0000

fMaxPercentDesiredOrientationAngleToTween=1.0000

fMaxOffsetFromPathToIgnoreSqr=400.0000

fPathToAnimLengthMaxMultiplier=2.0000

fPOVSmootherAvoidNodeCost=7.0000

fPathManagerDebugInfoWindow=1.0000

iMaxQueuedPathingRequests=50

bDisableUnloadedPaths=0

bBackgroundPathing=1

fFindMaxSpeedMinParamIncrementPercent=0.1000

iFindMaxSpeedMinIterationCount=10

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fLedgeJumpHeightBuffer=16.0000

fStaticPathTangentSmoothingFactor=0.5000

fNodeDistanceThreshold=25.0000

fMinFailureDistance=50.0000

fWarpMaxTime=4.0000

fWarpPathOffset=100.0000

fWarpRequestActorRadius=5.0000

iWarpMaxPathFailureCount=3

bWarpOnConsecutiveFailures=1

fMinStairSpeed=80.0000

fSprintAngleToPathThreshold=5.0000

fSprintDistToPathThresholdRadiusMult=0.5000

fSprintAccelerationMult=10.0000

fAICombatTurnSpeedScale=2.5000

fAITurnSpeedScale=1.5000

fMovementBlockedTimer=0.0200

iFlightLandingSearchMaxAttempts=5

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fFollowerTeleportOffsetFudge=30.0000

fRotSpeedCondScaleMin=0.5000

bUseVelocityObstacles=1

fMaxSpeedPercentageDifferenceToAttemptFootSync=0.0500

fLookAtPointZOffset=30.0000

fPercentOfPathToJumpForCompanionWarping=0.7000

fDistanceModForInteriorCompanionWarping=0.7000

fCriticalPathDistanceForCompanionWarping=6000.0000

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fMinPathDistanceForCompanionWarping=2000.0000

bUsePathDerivedCompanionWarping=1

bUseCompanionWarping=1

bFlightFavorXYCorrectionOnPathFailure=1

fFlightLandingSearchRadiusBaseDefault=550.0000

fExpensiveDoorCost=30000.0000

fObstacleManagerMinWidth=16.0000

fObstacleManagerMinHeight=48.0000

bCutDoors=1

fObstacleUpdateDeltaWhenUnknown=5.0000

fObstacleUpdateDeltaWhenMoving=1.0000

bBackgroundNavmeshUpdate=1

bUseTaskletsToRecomputeBounds=0

bFixNavmeshInfosOnLoad=0

fPercentageOfRadiusToStartPathingIntoRequest=0.8000

fPrecentageMinRadiusToGetFollowersTo=0.9000

fMaxTimeToStartMoving=1.0000

fMinTimeToStartMoving=0.2500

fDefaultTimeAheadToCalculateGoal=2.0000

fDistanceToStopMultiplierToBuildNewPath=1.2000

fDistanceToCheck=100.0000

fMaxSpeedPercentageReachedToMakeNewPath=0.1000

iMaxPathRequestsPerFrameTracked=32

iPathRequestsAllowedPerFrame=2

bUseNavmeshRaycastRange=1

bRangingDebugDraw=0

[bSPathing]

fPseudoSweptSegmentMinObstacleWidth=30.0000

fFindClosestEdgesRadius=512.0000

[LOD]

fLODMultTrees=0.5000

bMeshLODRenderAllLevels=0

iFadeNodeMinNearDistance=500

bFadePortals=1

fPortalFadeMultiplier=1000.0000

bUseTextureUpgrade=1

fLODFadeOutActorMultInterior=1.0000

fLODFadeOutItemMultInterior=1.0000

fLODFadeOutObjectMultInterior=1.0000

fLODFadeOutActorMultCity=1.0000

fLODFadeOutItemMultCity=1.0000

fLODFadeOutObjectMultCity=1.0000

fLODFadeOutActorMultComplex=1.0000

fLODFadeOutItemMultComplex=1.0000

fLODFadeOutObjectMultComplex=1.0000

fLODLandDropAmount=230.0000

bDisplayLODLand=1

fLODLandVerticalBias=0.0000

fSpecularLODFadeMax=0.2000

fSpecularLODFadeMin=0.0000

fLightLODFadeMax=3000.0000

fLightLODFadeMin=0.0000

fActorLODMax=15.0000

fActorLODMin=5.0000

fItemLODMax=10.0000

fItemLODMin=1.5000

fMeshLODFadeScalarMax=3.0000

fMeshLODFadeScalarMin=1.0000

fObjectLODMax=30.0000

fObjectLODMin=5.0000

fTalkingDistance=2000.0000

fLodDistance=500.0000

uDistantObjectExtraHideDelayMS=0

fFadeOutTime=2.0000

fFadeInTime=1.2000

fFadeInThreshold=0.7000

fFadeOutThreshold=0.3000

fDistanceMultiplier=1.0000

fLODFadeOutPercent=0.6000

fLODBoundRadiusMult=10.0000

Looks like some LOD settings might be locked, see fActorLODMin and Max for example. Also this setting interested me: bQueueCellAttachDetach=1

Anyway probably more rogue settings worth looking for under other sections. Navmesh ones might be of some help. Otherwise I didn't spot anything obvious that can help from INI level.

[SKKmods]

Sometimes I see weapon effects and just plain still NPCs standing there in a paused animation.

yes Yes YES nurse ! That's one of the unpredictable symptoms I am exploring: sometimes (mostly not) npcs will generate visible aggro effects like beams and explosions outside of the nominalÃÂ uGridsToLoad rendering & event processing boundary. Debug log typically correlates this with the Schrodinger dead & alive effects.

 

I'd like to establish exactly what conditions cause this so I can replicate the behavior forÃÂ fine grain control of NPC activity and player experience, esp. on the xbox where uGrid settings are fixed.

 

I just tried a couple of runs with fLODFadeOutMultActors at 30 and uGridsToLoad 17 ... no additional NPCs or scenery, but the frame-rate tanked from rock solid 60 to 20 so I couldn't actually OnHit anything.

Edited December 12, 2017 by SKK50

[SMB92]

The NPCs not showing out of bounds with higher setting? Wow thats highly contradicting of itself. So some systems drop off and others stay on (at random?)

 

Well I guess next settings I would be looking at maybe the unload settings for cells, would be doubtful though. Or what happens if you decrease Actor distance? I forgot you have Xbox edition as well, I am not sure but maybe it's worth a try to insert your own Fallout4Custom.ini? I wonder if that works. I know the console INI is called Fallout4Console.ini.

[SKKmods]

To complete this thread, I have finished testing the interaction of uGridsToLoad + fLODFadeOutMultActors, published a mod and the findings under SKK Combat test tools for ranged weapons I have copied the dialogue here, any additional observations or other findings appreciated:

 

Configuring uGridsToLoad to increase activity range

 

To generate targets further than the default game render/event radius and weapon/ammo range of 10,240 game units, the default uGridsToLoad=5 in Fallout4Prefs.ini needs changing.

 

uGrids are 4096x4096 game unit boxes centered on the player that bound rendering and events. To work out the actual radius from the player, multiply the uGridsToLoad setting by 4096 for diameter and then halve it for player radius. Always configure uGridsToLoad as odd numbers.

 

If you have to drop your graphics quality below Ultra for frame rate, you will also need to set fLODFadeOutMultActors after you make any Options changes, else the NPCs will be active in code, but won't actually render to observe and shoot. Whilst fLODFadeOutMultActors (Low 5, Medium 7, High 9, Ultra 15) looks like it uses the same units as uGridsToLoad, it doesn't as 15 renders NPCs at 25 uGrids. Confused ? I am, so just set fLODFadeOutMultActors=15 and be happy. Props @SMB92 for suggesting this.

 

It is important to understand that this does not just enable more pretty GPU graphics, uGrids also enables event processing. That means the game engine has to manage real time NPC and object interaction in the active space as they are effectively "on screen". If you have large settlements and lots of roaming NPCs for immersion, your CPU will croak. Bethesda set the default 10K radius to maintain performance on average 2015 hardware with fully developed worlds.

 

 

uGrid Map radius

 

 

 

Performance monitor

 

 

Running the Fallout performance monitor will typically show that neither CPU or GPU resources are maxed out during slowdown pre-CTD, so its clearly limitations in the game engine architecture (threads, locks, memory alloc).

 

The highest uGridsToLoad I have managed to generate and shoot NPCs is 25 (51,200 render radius) using this mod Hitscan components at Kingsport lighthouse. With an active world diameter of 100,000 units (compared to default 20,000) that's a quarter of the commonwealth running as if "on screen" in real-time, the only way to get the high uGrids without CTD is on the coast where half the active world radius is sea with nothing to process.

 

• Do your shooting in the wasteland, best on the coast.
• GTX1060 6Gb Quality/uGrid/framerate: Ultra 5/72 | Ultra 9/60 | Ultra 11/60 | Ultra 15/50 in scope | Ultra 25/30 in scope
• GTX 750 2Gb Quality/uGrid/framerate: Ultra 5/50 | High 9/30 | Med 11/30 | Low 15/30 in scope | 17/CTD
• Disable all pretty mods that add display complexity or mess with previs/precombine.
• Disable mods that generate NPCs or spawn stuff unless they are your actual targets.
• Basically disable all mods, except the ones you are testing.
• Use a new character or the smallest savegame you have ~5Mb no settlement builds in the active area.
• Even with high end cpu/ram (i7 16gb) the keyboard response will lag, mouse is OK.
• E&OE

Edited January 9, 2018 by SKK50