Many mods, Stable but compass and other issues

[Munk710]

I Installed a large number of mods using this guide: An updated Fallout: New Vegas modding guide (12 February 2017)

It's a great guide and a lot of time went into it. Props go to Matt and the rest of Gopher's minions.

 

I believe i followed the guide to the letter with the exception of a few QoL mods that were no longer available, the substitution of Solid Project for AP and LP, and I installed the full New Vegas Reborn (as it is apparently now all one merged file).

I am still in Goodsprings but everything seems beautiful, new and stable. However, there are a few issues i was hoping to get help with.

 

1. The compass displays but does not move/track and compass markers are missing.

2. Occasionally, inventory screens do not display all items. Items will appear upon closing and re-opening inventory (minor inconvenience, unless it indicates some bigger problem).

3. Head and face gear give huge, stacking bonuses to health (current HP, not max) and DT/DR. For example, the recon Mask i found in Doc's house gives 300HP, 250 DT and 250 DR. A Face Wrap gives 500 HP. These are accompanied by effects in the pip-boy status screen labelled "2" or "3", etc. Is this an intended effect of one of the loaded mods? Seems unlikely.

4. Only vanilla face options are available at character creation.

5. Hardcore needs are not being implemented. Fields are blank and food, dehydration, sleep, etc do not seem to be kept track of.

 

I am hoping that it is all simple load order issues. Any suggestions on these issues or general tips on load order, alternate or complimentary mods, etc. would be greatly appreciated and i will buy a bum a sandwich in your honor.

 

Here is my load order, as set by LOOT:

 

 

0 0 FalloutNV.esm
1 1 DeadMoney.esm
2 2 HonestHearts.esm
3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm
4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm
5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm
6 6 ClassicPack.esm
7 7 MercenaryPack.esm
8 8 TribalPack.esm
9 9 CaravanPack.esm
10 a YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm
11 b JIP Selective-Fire.esm
12 c SolidProject.esm
13 d Sortomatic.esm
14 e Detect Traps.esm
15 f Advanced Recon Tech.esm
16 10 oHUD.esm
17 11 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.esm
18 12 New Vegas Redesigned 3.esm
19 13 AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm
20 14 More Perks.esm
21 15 More Perks for Dead Money.esm
22 16 AWOPDeadMoney.esm
23 17 Gomorrah Redesigned v2.esp
24 18 Bitter Springs Redesigned.esp
25 19 Casa Madrid Redesigned.esp
26 1a More Perks for Honest Hearts.esm
27 1b CCO - Classic Perks.esm
28 1c More Traits.esm
29 1d Project Nevada - Core.esm
30 1e Project Nevada - Equipment.esm
31 1f Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp
32 20 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp
33 21 Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm
34 22 More Perks for Old World Blues.esm
35 23 More Perks for Companions.esm
36 24 WMVM.esm
37 25 SomeguySeries.esm
38 26 YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp
Reload Sounds.esp
39 27 New Vegas Reborn 8.esp
40 28 New Vegas Redesigned 3.esp
41 29 NewMerge1.esp
GUN Reload Sounds.esp
IronSightsFoley.esp
SneakFoley.esp
Extra Rounds.esp
jasch_JacksWhiskey.esp
42 2a Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp
43 2b Project Nevada - All DLC.esp
44 2c EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp
45 2d WeaponModsExpanded.esp
CourierCacheWSE.esp
46 2e WMX-DLCMerged.esp
47 2f FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting - All DLC.esp
48 30 MTB.esp
49 31 WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp
50 32 WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp
51 33 AWOP-WMX-EVE AllDLCMerged.esp
52 34 Project Nevada - WMX.esp
53 35 YUP-WMX-PN-PNEO Patch.esp
54 36 T60.esp
M1897.esp
M1905.esp
Galil.esp
BT87.esp
BHPM1935.esp
FAMAS.esp
Pernach.esp
KP31.esp
MSR556.esp
CZ805.esp
SVU.esp
WA2000.esp
PKM.esp
DEagle.esp
Serbu.esp
Scout.esp
TOZ66.esp
M16A2.esp
I Got Spurs.esp
Bullet Fixes.esp
No Hitscan.esp
55 37 WeaponAnimations.esp
No Tracer.esp
56 38 AWOPDeadMoneyVendorPatch.esp
57 39 NewVegasBounties.esp
58 3a NewVegasBountiesII.esp
59 3b TheInheritance.esp
60 3c Russell.esp
61 3d AWOP - Russell.esp
Rewarding Exploring.esp
62 3e Alternative Repairing.esp
63 3f AWOP Interim Fixes.esp
64 40 KingOfTheRing.esp
65 41 NewVegasKiller.esp
Near Death.esp
1874Sharps.esp
ilbuonorevolver.esp
manwithnoname.esp
clintsfistfulrevolver.esp
LFox Missing Ammo Recipes GRA DLC.esp
LFox Missing Ammo Recipes HH DLC.esp
LFox Missing Ammo Recipes.esp
ammoingredientsloot.esp
66 42 The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
67 43 Faster Start Menu.esp
68 44 pipboy2500_edisleado.esp
69 45 PipBoyCounters.esp
70 46 DarNifiedUINV.esp
71 47 JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
72 48 WeaponJamming.esp
73 49 JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
74 4a JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp
75 4b LootMenu.esp
76 4c Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp
77 4d AmmoChecking.esp
78 4e Quick Trade.esp
79 4f The Weapon Mod Menu.esp
80 50 CASM with MCM.esp
81 51 Zan_AutoPurge_SmartAgro_NV.esp
82 52 F4 Intimidation.esp
83 53 superhot.esp
84 54 B42 RWMS.esp
85 55 IPA.esp
86 56 Advanced Recon Riot Gear Helmet.esp
87 57 Advanced Recon Desert Ranger Helmet.esp
88 58 Detect Traps - Perk.esp
89 59 Detect Traps - Traponator 4000.esp
90 5a Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp
91 5b Advanced Recon Gear.esp
92 5c Advanced Recon Tech.esp
93 5d Advanced Recon Armor.esp
94 5e TakeYourTime.esp
95 5f Ultimate Illness Mod.esp
96 60 CCO - CP All DLC Patch.esp
97 61 CCO - CP PN Patch.esp
98 62 CCO - CP OWB PN Patch.esp
99 63 WMX-ModernWeapons.esp
100 64 christinecos.esp
101 65 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Honest.Hearts.Grunt.Patch.esp
102 66 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Leveled.Lists.esp
103 67 IMPACT.esp
104 68 Unforgiving Combat - RWD edition.esp
105 69 RWD-NV v1.4 [standard Version].esp
106 6a RWD-NV v1.4 [standard Version] Update+DLC.esp
107 6b Real Recoil.esp
108 6c CheckpointGary.esp
109 6d Karmic Balance.esp
110 6e Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Cheat.Cabinet.esp
111 6f Alternative Repairing - Honest Hearts.esp
112 70 Alternative Repairing - Lonesome Road.esp
113 71 Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp
114 72 WMX-POPMerged.esp
115 73 AWOP-NVR3.esp
116 74 GRA-WRP-Patch-Two_Unofficial.esp
117 75 Merged Patch.esp

 

 

And special props and thanks to the great modders here and elsewhere that are making it possible for me to squeeze even more time out of a great game.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Munk710

[dubiousintent]

You are using several HUD mods that need to be installed in a particular order, because they overwrite XML files they share in common. Please see the wiki "HUD-UI-Menu issues" article for details.

 

Under the assumption the plugins listed without numbers are actually still present, move any "inactive" plugins out of the game "Data" folder. They count against the "plugin cap" because they get loaded by the game engine if found, and can cause "Missing Master" problems. Please see the wiki "Missing Masters" article if you get that error message. If, OTOH, they are "fully merged and deactivated" by a Wrye Flash "Bashed Patch", then you are fine, but they shouldn't be showing up in your list either unless you failed to turn "ghosting" on.

 

-Dubious-

[Munk710]

I have skimmed the UI doc already. It is an excellent resource. Difficult for me to parse much of the info at this point, but I will dig deeper.

The game seems stable (no crashes, runs smoothly) and I haven't seen any missing master errors. The "inactive" mods are all part of a merged mod. I assumed that they need to be there as resources, but I don't know. I will look into Wyre Flash.

Thanks.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Munk710

[Munk710]

Do you suggest using Wrye Flash instead of MO or will they work together without much issue? If I switch to WF, should I start with a clean install? Edited December 5, 2017 by Munk710

[Munk710]

Finished "HUD-UI-Menu issues" and the contained linked docs. I'm sure the info i need is in there but i still can't figure it out. As far as i can tell all UI mods are installed in the correct order and overwrites seem correct. Perhaps a comprehensive "UI Menu Override" package would fix it, but not sure where to start there.

 

Am i correct that the compass would be defined by the hud_main_menu.xml file? That xml is currently being supplied by the oHUD Darnified Patch. Overwriting PN, DUINVv02, and oHUD. This seems correct. Am i thinking along the wrong path here?

 

-Lost but learning-

Edited December 6, 2017 by Munk710

[dubiousintent]

You should use either one or the other of MO/WF as your "mod manager" to install and manage mods. But you can still use Wrye Flash to build a "Bashed Patch". The difficulty is that MO works from a "empty" Data folder. There is a video describing the process, and the STEP Guide instructions. (I used WF with Oblivion and stuck with it for FNV as a matter of personal preference.)

 

Here is my personal "UI Menu Override" file "readme", following DarnUIv04, Darnified UI - DT and DR-v1.1, PN, oHud plugins installed in that order:

This is the original "start_menu.xml" file distributed with DARNUIv04. It has been copied
into this separate package so it can be placed after the MCM package in BAIN, so the
DarnUI file will override that package. DarnUI itself should be installed prior to MCM, so
this is the only way to get it's version of this file to "win" the install order.

This resolves the MCM warning message "DarNified UI has been detected in the HUD but not the
start Menu. You will need to repair DarNified UI or remove it completely for MCM to appear
correctly." Using the DarnUI "start_menu.xml" file is the needed "repair".

Now contains other "overrides" as merged files to ensure compatibility with:
* MCM "menus\options\start_menu.xml"
* PN "menus\options\start_menu.xml" (identical to DarnUI version)
* PN "menus\main\hud_main_menu.xml"
* oHUD "menus\main\hud_main_menu.xml"
* WMM "menus\main\inventory_menu.xml"
* FlashlightNVSE "menus\prefabs\flashlight_battery.xml"

As a consequence, this override file should be installed last of the UI mods.

 

All I can say is it works for me.

 

-Dubious-

Edited December 6, 2017 by dubiousintent

[Munk710]

Sweet. I will give it a try. Thanks.

[Munk710]

Bugger. I am ashamed to admit it but the compass issue was due to not having the latest version of DUINV. Took special care to make sure everything from Nexus was up to date but neglected what i got elsewhere. Live and learn.

Still need to figure out the other issues. Would it be wise to make them separate posts?

And Dubious, thanks for the resources. Teach a man to fish...

Edited December 6, 2017 by Munk710

[dubiousintent]

It's your thread so you aren't "hijacking it" onto side issues. But it's best to try to deal with one issue at a time. Think of it like medicine: you need to triage the problems and deal with the most serious, widely affecting ones first. These are all fairly specific, so it's more your choice. OTOH, by splitting the issues up into their own threads, you give others the chance to provide their expertise in that specific problem, that otherwise they might skip over in this "more omnibus" thread. People tend to not bother when someone else is already responding. (I've never claimed to know everything. I just have more time and inclination to dig into questions and search the web than many others. But I play without a lot of common "beautification" mods like Body Replacers (older system), so sometimes I lack the practical experience.)

 

#2 "Inventory display" is a "HUD-UI-Menu issue". You have several Pipboy mods you should look into for compatibility. Either merge them or try "mod isolation".

 

#3 "Huge DT/DR bonuses" is probably a mod conflict. You need to isolate which mods are affecting those values and check their comment pages.

 

#4 "Only vanilla face options are available at character creation." Please see the 'Body Replacement Basics" section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" and the 'Issue: Body Replacer - Custom Body Types' and related 'Body Replacer -' entries in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide articles.

#5 "Hardcore needs are not being implemented." Have you enabled this in "settings"? You also need to have installed the latest NVSE and JIP LN NVSE versions to get their fixes for several bugs in tracking those needs.

 

BTW: Do not use an "Auto-purge" mod for game play. (That was old advice from before we knew better.) They are designed for debugging by mod creator's only, according to the author of the JIP extensions to NVSE. See the 'Issue: CTD without warning, "Out of Memory error", or stops responding after the Main Menu', "Cause-2", "Solution-3" entry in the wiki"Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide for the game settings that do the same job.

You have a lot of "ammo" and "repair" mods. These are good candidates for merging to resolve "record level conflicts". You might want to see the wiki "Merged Plugin Guidelines for Personal Use" article, even though you obviously know how to merge.

 

-Dubious-

[Munk710]

I am abandoning this install and starting over. Please consider this post closed.