Eltiraaz Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 The only way we can make that world is for everyone on earth to drop their prejudices toward different; races, religions, ethnic groups, genders, social groups/classes etc. In short, not gonna happen. :P sorry for the double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 @Eltiraaz: Cool, finally someone who believes the same thing as I do. Christian Anarchist. Acctually, I described myself this to some other guys you don't know (in my old class). Such a system like you suggested, Eltiraaz was already suggested by Rousseau. He said that we should abolish every government and law and solve everything in discussions. In order to do this, every human person must be reasonable and accept when someone brings a reasonable argument. In such a discussion those who have the more reasonable arguments will win and so all problems would be solved. It would be like this: Shall we open the windows? No, because then it gets cold Yes, because the air inside the room doesn't have much oxygene. If we don't open the windows, we will finally suffocate. You probably could bear a little cold, in order to get better air, don't you? Yeah, your right. Let's open the windows! Now Rousseau said that every discussion should go this way. All humans can be reasonable and discuss every problem peacefully. Problem is that humans aren't reasonable (only some are reasonable and the number of those is few) and so this system won't work. OK, Rousseau answered to this that we could educate all people to be reasonable. No one tried, so we don't know if it would work. Same thing would be when all people would be Christians. We would all have the same religion. What is more, one of the most basic foundations of Christianity are love, kindness, equality, tolerance. So when every person would love every other person on this planet, we wouldn't have a problem. But then we have all those problem: Not all persons on this planet want to love all the others. There is everywhere hatred on this world and until we can abolish this hatred, it will never work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltiraaz Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Agreed, unforntunatley I do not think that is possible, therefore, my Christian Anarchism is nothing more than a dream or ideal, not a possible reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayabusa Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 I`m afraid that perfect society will remain utopia as we, humans, are imperfect. It may be possible if we`d be perfect, but in that case we won`t be humans anymore. Yes there are some ideas we all may agree with, but we won`t agree in 100%. So, for most of us, if not everyone, it would still be imperfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Thief Oriana Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 if the perfect society was possible, it would be here by now. humans dont live in a utopia because we ar fundamentally flawed--we are "just human". if it was more than just the dream to be a complete self-sufficient empire of the universe, then we wouldnt have anywhere to build to and therefore would be wiped out as a race. the human race gone; maybe that is utopia? not for us, but for the earth and all its other inhabbitants--the ones that actually dont have a need to seek happiness like we do. and our happiness will never be found as long as we are human. our evolutions maybe, because they wont truly be human anymore, but not us. not the beings who actually have a NEED for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Simply saying "what is the perfect society" is impossable to answer because you have to define what you mean by "perfect". What does perfect mean when it relates to a society?Does it mean that it make everyone happy?Does it mean that it is moral and ethical?Does it mean that it will never collapse?Or does it mean somthing else? A society that is perfect as in it makes everyone happy, is entirly diffrent from one that is perfect as in it will never collapse. I would say a perfect society would be a society that makes everyone happy and, if not destroyed by outside forces, would theoraticly last forever. I also belive that in order to create such a society, the end justifies the means and anything goes. If it is impossable to create a perfect society for imperfect peoples then it is nessisary to perfect the people. For instance modern humans have pesky feelings. Feelings lead to many problems in trying to change people into the perfect people. If, say, we need to make genetic changes in humans (very likely) some people would object. For many resones, but all those resones would stem from emotions. Would religion be needed if it were not for emotions? I'd say no, and that religion is a HUGE issue when it comes to the topic of a perfect society. I think in the transition to a perfect people (and thus the possability of a perfect society) emotions might have to be one of the first things to go. Later emotions can be added in when they would no longer stand in the way, or if a certian emotion is needed to create the society (say a strong feeling tword the commen people would create a more productive citizen). If a society can be biult for the modern human then so be it. So I think the question we should ask is not: "what is the perfect society" but rather the essential question tword makeing that ideal a reality: "Can it be done using modern humans? If so how does this society run, and if not what kind of people should we become and with our new selves how does the perfect society run?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 I think every point you just mentioned would be in a perfect society (everyone happy, lasts forever, is moral and ethical etc.) there are of course many more characteristics. A perfect society is made by everything we consider to be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 I'm just trying to point out that we need to define what it is in a society that we're looking for when we say it needs to be perfect. Just saying "perfect includes all we deem perfect" is not enough. Take this example: A perfect toaster would also do my homework, and clean my room, and change my clothes. Oh, and it would also make me bullet proof, and go to the bathroom for me. ect. You have to define what the perfect toaster would be before you even try to make one. I think a perfect, as it relates to toasters, would mean that it never burns the toast and the edges of the toast don't get caught upon ejection ripping it. Also it would have a self clean option like ovens do. This toaster is perfect, but does not include everything that is perfect. So what will a perfect society be? Moral, eternal, just happy, all of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Since a good society is considered one that has at least one of the criterias you have given, Nevermore, a perfect society would include all those criterias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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