Major acrobatics/sneak attack bug

[sam888]

I doubt this is related to the use of keys or mods, since the problem occurs when no mods are loaded/saved, and the keys are at the default. I presume it is a glitch that is part of the game itself, but no one has really noticed. I'll admit, I noticed it happen too, but I always assumed it was because my sneak skill got to a certain level, not acrobatics.

 

I tried with low sneak and 50 acrobatics. This still occurs. I know the majority of the people who play sneaky characters use ranged (bow) attack, and hardly melee attacks, because it's much harder to pull. However with my 78 sneak I can easily backstab most enemies. Therefore, can someone do some simple testing, create a new character, run oblivion without any mods, and use console and type "modpcs acrobatics 50" (without quotes), to set acrobatics skills higher than 50, then try melee attack in sneak mode. If this is a common problem with the game, then I will look for alternative solutions, maybe I'll just live with it. However, if this is a bug that exists only on MY end, then I definitely need help to fix this.

[sam888]

All I know is that I've never run into it myself. Which means that it is either only happening to you, or I've always had a setup where it was happening (despite the fact that I've done melee sneak attacks before I could jump and attack). The sneak attack I have at 10 acrobatics looks the same as the one I have at 50, or even 100 acrobatics. It's a slow swing, which is why I could see some confusion, but at the same time, there is no "other" swing, or any the normal grunting. And there is only one standard sneak attack animation for each weapon type. As I had suggested before, when it was initially brought up, it would have to be mod related. Just disabling the mods might not result in anything. Try a fresh install.

 

 

Reinstalling the game does not solve the bug. My conclusion is that this is a game's limitation, although a very bad limitation.

 

I don't get what you say here. The animation of normal attack and power attack in sneak mode is definitely different. Power attack consumes way more fatigue, and takes noticeably longer to perform, while a normal attack's animation is just as fast as a normal attack in standing mode.

 

However, as I asked, if anyone can specifically test this issue for me it ll be greatly appreciated.

[Vagrant0]

Reinstalling the game does not solve the bug. My conclusion is that this is a game's limitation, although a very bad limitation.

 

I don't get what you say here. The animation of normal attack and power attack in sneak mode is definitely different. Power attack consumes way more fatigue, and takes noticeably longer to perform, while a normal attack's animation is just as fast as a normal attack in standing mode.

 

However, as I asked, if anyone can specifically test this issue for me it ll be greatly appreciated.

 

Alright, now I think I see what you're talking about. Had to equip a heavy weapon to notice it myself. It's just like a normal power attack, you're just holding down the attack button too long. This can be tough to do since the game tends to be slow to respond at times. Will look into it further.

 

*edit*

By default the game setting fPowerAttackDelay causes a power attack to be used if the attack button is held longer than .3 seconds. In the case when your framerate slows down to where there is more than .2 seconds between frames, the game can mistakingly register that power attack instead of a normal attack. This behavior is more noticable durring normal combat, and has been reported by many in that respect. Most people probably havn't noticed it in relation to sneak attacks since by the time people have 50 acrobatics, they usually have enough fatigue, or are not experiencing any delayed response. The speed change between the two attacks isn't noticable, especially if you're being slowed down because of combat starting. The power attack does however seem to cause more damage, which is also why people tend to not care.

 

If you can find a mod which increases fPowerAttackDelay to something higher than .3, or feel comfortable with the CS to just do the change yourself (within another mod so you aren't wasting a slot on a single setting change), anything between .5 and 1 should be good enough to not negatively impact other combat.

[sam888]

Thanks for the reply. What you said may be valid for some people, but not in my case.

I changed fPowerAttackDelay to 0.6 in CS, and this bug still occurs. My initial thought is that it has nothing to do with framerate or game reponse/slowdown.

 

My setup is more than enough to run Oblivion smoothly, and I cannot mix up a single mouse click with a hold-down mouse click. I used console to manually alter acrobatics level (modpcs acrobatics #), and whenever my acrobatics is 50 or higher, this bug occurs. At 49 or lower, it doesn't occur.

[Vagrant0]

Thanks for the reply. What you said may be valid for some people, but not in my case.

I changed fPowerAttackDelay to 0.6 in CS, and this bug still occurs. My initial thought is that it has nothing to do with framerate or game reponse/slowdown.

 

My setup is more than enough to run Oblivion smoothly, and I cannot mix up a single mouse click with a hold-down mouse click. I used console to manually alter acrobatics level (modpcs acrobatics #), and whenever my acrobatics is 50 or higher, this bug occurs. At 49 or lower, it doesn't occur.

Set it to 5+, in the plugin that loads last, if it is the case of slow response, that should make it obvious, likewise you won't be able to do a normal power attack unless you hold it down for equally as long. And as normal, some mods may be affecting this, even if they are no longer active within that game.

 

Beyond that, it has to be something specific to how you have things configured. Any game controllers attached? When you reinstalled, did you delete everything in your data folder, and the .ini in you mydocuments\games\oblivion folder before reinstalling?

[sam888]

Setting to +5 doesn't work.

 

Of course, I deleted the entire Oblivon folder when I uninstalled, and replaced oblivion.ini with oblivion_default.ini. I have no game controllers attached. I don't think my system configuration has anything to do with the bug. However if anyone requires a specific configuration/setting I will post here.

[Vagrant0]

Setting to +5 doesn't work.

You set it to "5", or "+5"? And, make sure it is in your last loaded mod. It should make is so that your normal (not sneak) power attacks require you to stand there holding the button down for 5 seconds. If this doesn't happen, there HAS to be something interfering. If it is requiring you to hold the button down for a long time, try doing it while sneaking to see if the timing is still about the same.

 

And when I say that a value of 5 HAS to make a very long delay before you do a power attack, this is how the game is setup to work, and should work, regardless of anything else. If it isn't working, check for conflicts in OBMM, or just use a lighter weapon.

[sam888]

I set it to 5 seconds. And of course I know if the changed setting is working or not. A power attack takes 5 seconds of holding left mouse button means it is working. And as I said in my previous posts, it doesn't matter what weapon I use, even if I use a bound dagger with 0 weight, I still do power attack every time I do a normal attack in sneak mode when my acrobatics is 50 or higher.

 

About mod conflicts, I do get some conflicts in OBMM, but since I do not use OBMM normally, I ll have to look into the conflicts.

[Vagrant0]

The same setting which controls delay with normal power attacks, controls the delay with sneak power attacks. If there is a difference between them, then there has to be something interfering to change behavior when sneaking. Please don't argue with me on this point. This is the only thing that could be causing this issue. You do not need to use OMODS for obmm to run conflict detection. But as you are, if I have this right, reporting that it takes you 5 seconds to do a normal power attack, but sneaking power attack is instant, then there HAS to be a mod with scripting, or something else which is affecting this game setting based on you sneaking.

 

If I am reading it wrong, and you aren't needing to hold for 5 seconds for a power attack, then there HAS to be some mod loaded after the one containing your change, or a mod which changes the setting through scripting, being active.

 

Unless, you are just mistaken about the whole issue, and are percieving a sneaking normal attack for a sneaking power attack (have you tried holding down the button while sneaking to see if there is any delay between when the button is pressed and the action happens). A normal sneak attack should not happen until you release the attack button. The weight of weapon won't affect the timing, but will affect how much fatigue is lost.

 

I mean, you've lied about mod usage before, whatever you aren't mentioning, or maybe even the same mods you did, might be the cause of this. If it seems like I'm being insistant, it's because there is no way for it not to be this. Such as 0, such as, even if there was some great huge bug, this would either prevent it from happening, or the bug would be so wide spread that other people would be complaining about it as a constant issue.

[sam888]

1. I am not arguing with you. I never said the power attack delay is different for standing mode and sneaking mode.

 

2. I don't know why you don't believe me about me not mistaken a normal attack as a power attack. Here I again assure you that I do not mix up a normal attack with a power attack, in sneak mode. Yes, I can still manually do power attack in sneak mode by holding down mouse button, but, the normal attack in sneak mode are power attack, despite I issued a normal attack.

 

3. Explain to me specifically in which part I lied about mod usage. I simply do not understand what you saying here. And whatever you think I didn't mention, is there a thing that I should mention and you should know? If so, why not tell me. I seek help here, for what reason would I lie about anything?

 

4. I know there is something wrong, but I do not know it. Here I clarify, that I am experiencing this bug. I NEVER said every1 has to have this bug. And if no-one posted anything about this bug before, doesn't mean this bug/glitch doesn't exist for the sake of it. If you read one of my previous posts, I said that I think most people don't notice it, or don't give a poo about it, or they don't backstab that much to be bugged by it. This is what I thought the reason that no-one posted this issue before.

 

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/theeld...&pid=927345

 

This is the only post I could find about this issue. The poster appears to be running Oblivion ob Xbox 360. See for yourself.