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Can free-will exist in a causal world?


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Free Will Vs Causality  

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  1. 1. Which is real?

    • Free-Will
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    • Scientific-Causality
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Dude.....shut up.

 

Your country has two parties in the same wing, and only two parties. Is it any wonder you question your own freedom?

Dude suck my phallic lance and my rectum or shut up. Your pitiful choice.

 

I may have no freedom of choice but I exercise my right to slap you with the last vestiges of my freedom to speak!

 

How dare I turn on the brighter light. Heaven forbid we might see the filth so well hidden in the twilight most have accepted as truth. It might make us uncomfortable to "see" for a change.

 

Please ask yourself Who protects Canada, Who uses Canada, What is Canada. I have asked myself these questions about my Country and when I saw answers that I expected I looked for a deeper reality. I found none. But now I "see" things I know I can not look away from. Although I love the truth that should be I am shocked by what is.

 

Gamboling? Usury and abject slavery feed by predatory lending is destroying the American dream. Will Canada follow suit?

 

Blessed be Canada.

Canada be ware what is. Beware what may be coming.

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I tried to reproduce what I had written and it was Good. Now it is gone. Its not this site its the key logger the snoops are using to keep tabs on me. I had the thing gone and now its back.

 

I change my mind! As long as things like the CIA and secret societies exist there is no free will in this stinking world and no such thing as Democracy. Democracy demands free will and as long as agendas manipulate humanity there in no freedom, only the illusion of freedom.

Well, if the keylogger was on when you wrote the post, its contents are probably on record. Send an e-mail to [email protected] and see if they can't retrieve it for you. They may even be able to fix that software incompatibility you're talking about--but it's probably just because of a codec pack or something.

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Please ask yourself Who protects Canada, Who uses Canada, What is Canada. I have asked myself these questions about my Country and when I saw answers that I expected I looked for a deeper reality. I found none. But now I "see" things I know I can not look away from. Although I love the truth that should be, I am shocked by what is.

 

Gamboling? Usury and abject slavery feed by predatory lending is destroying the American dream. Will Canada follow suit? A "work ethic" with little respect for the family unit has done much harm. There are those who fight for the family and such values as have sustained humanity for millennia. This is a noble fight and I pray wisdom prevails.

 

Blessed be Canada.

Canada be ware what is. Beware what may be coming. The family is the fermament of a sociaty and the first line of defence aginst the enemies of humanity. If you would prevail, embrace family and hold this one thing sacred.

 

RE the Keylogger

is not mine its in the network as an intercept. IE my drivel is gone and I got pissed for no good reason. Sorry.

 

RE:Libertarian party

has been used and abused. Your fight is right, but, it can not come to fruition without revolution. Down that path though lies much pain. I am afraid the majority is to comfortable in the dark. But there will be a time when the Libertarian ideals will prevail. Just not as soon as would be best for all. Thank you for your fight for a better way. 2147 may see the fruits of your cause begin to ripen. We can only hope on behalf of the children.

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wwooooooooooooooooooooooooooowee. Sativarg's gone a little overboard.

 

Anyhow, American government has both it's major political parties on the same wing of the political spectrum, so I am not surprised that they question their own freedom.

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I believe in free will. Scientific things are sometimes more speculation than fact or a complete understanding of something. My free will allows me to make good decisions and bad ones based on what I know or thinks to be fact or speculation.
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I believe in free will. Scientific things are sometimes more speculation than fact or a complete understanding of something. My free will allows me to make good decisions and bad ones based on what I know or thinks to be fact or speculation.

But that perspective assumes something: that you're actually free to make a decision. Are you really "thinking" or are you just perceiving something (which appears to be thinking) that is actually a product of causal forces.

 

Does this matter? Not really (we'll never be able to tell the difference), but it is interesting to "think" about. ;) :rolleyes:

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Scientific things are sometimes more speculation than fact or a complete understanding of something.

I have to disagree here (and steadfastly ignore the irrelevant political crap that started to pollute this otherwise interesting topic). The foundation of science is observation. Those observations are facts. From there, science seeks to determine the principles and mechanisms that lead to them. Science is the process, the toolset, for understanding reality, because if a speculation doesn't match the observed facts, science rejects that speculation. In other words, if an idea has no hard evidence to support it, it's not science at all. Speculations and hypotheses are made, yes. But if they can't be tested and potentially ruled out by experiment, they're worthless (this is why this so-called String "Theory" is not really a theory at all -- it can't be tested. Unless someone comes up with a way it can be tested, it remains a philosophy, not science). This is why I take issue with that statement.

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Scientific things are sometimes more speculation than fact or a complete understanding of something.

I have to disagree here (and steadfastly ignore the irrelevant political crap that started to pollute this otherwise interesting topic). The foundation of science is observation. Those observations are facts. From there, science seeks to determine the principles and mechanisms that lead to them. Science is the process, the toolset, for understanding reality, because if a speculation doesn't match the observed facts, science rejects that speculation. In other words, if an idea has no hard evidence to support it, it's not science at all. Speculations and hypotheses are made, yes. But if they can't be tested and potentially ruled out by experiment, they're worthless (this is why this so-called String "Theory" is not really a theory at all -- it can't be tested. Unless someone comes up with a way it can be tested, it remains a philosophy, not science). This is why I take issue with that statement.

We study the stars but still only speculate on the creation of the planets and the universe. We still speculate on life on this planet. Were we colonized?,are we the product of natusal selection?, are we divine intervention?, speculation and science run hand in hand,what was thought to be fact 20 or 30 years ago has been proven to not be fact at all. The dinosaurs were thought to be lizards or of the reptilian family,while now scince swings toward the avian premise because modern technology has uncovered more questions than answers.

fact and speculation are always subject to change,but being a woman,I'll tell you that once my mind is made up,you aren't going to change it....and thats a fact...lol

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