CTD when changing gender or race upon new game

[NeshiraNamea]

Current save works dandy, all is well, no crashes. I had issues a couple weeks ago that I fixed. I went through, got an idea for a new character and decided to start another save. Loads fine, goes to the cell from LAL fine, yada yada. The second I try to change race or gender from the default male nord it CTDs unceremoniously.

 

I went ahead and unchecked all of my plugins, verified game cache, and tried again with the vanilla og opening. After 10 years of waiting through that damn carriage ride...arrived in Helgen...nord male...crash upon changing.

 

Re-enabled LAL because that one is ruled out now as the culprit and tried again. Crash upon race/gender change.

 

I'm guessing I have something up with my load order but I don't see how it would have affected the game when I had all the plugins unchecked. Here's my load order either way. If anyone wants to poke around my data folder I can upload that somewhere too or an image of it if that helps...

 

 

GameMode=SkyrimSE

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

ApachiiHairMales.esm=0

ApachiiHairFemales.esm=0

ApachiiHair.esm=0

Gray Fox Cowl.esm=1

Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm=1

GeneralStores.esm=1

RSkyrimChildren.esm=1

Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1

TERA Weapons.esm=1

Cutting Room Floor.esp=1

SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp=1

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1

Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp=1

Bring Out Your Dead.esp=1

LurinnePreset.esp=1

female mannequins.esp=1

SkyUI_SE.esp=1

UnreadBooksGlow.esp=1

SSE High Quality Music.esp=1

fastermining9-3.esp=1

When Vampires Attack.esp=1

sandboxcylinderheight.esp=1

BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp=1

Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp=1

Throatoftheworldfix.esp=1

SummerCustomeEyes.esp=1

Heterochromia.esp=1

Better Females - Eyebrows.esp=1

ArgonianFins.esp=1

HornsAreForever.esp=1

Beards.esp=1

KS Hairdo's.esp=1

Khajiit_Eyes_Extended.esp=1

saLa_Hairs.esp=1

TW3Eyes.esp=1

MonsterEyes.esp=1

GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp=1

Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp=1

ELE_SSE.esp=1

Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1

SGEyebrows.esp=1

Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp=1

MLPSoulGems.esp=1

NeutralHjerim.esp=1

NightingaleArrows.esp=1

Differently Ebony.esp=1

BVFE.esp=1

ogSplendorDragons.esp=1

DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp=1

Brighter toggleable Candlelight and Torches.esp=1

Facelight.esp=1

Dienes_Crafting_Storage(GS).esp=1

Forever_A_Thane.esp=1

RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp=1

CraftableCloudStorage(GS).esp=1

ProudspiremanorTNF.esp=1

Immersive Jewelry.esp=1

invisible_shield_fix.esp=1

BetterHjerim.esp=1

Remove Interior Fog 2.0.esp=1

HearthfireMultiKid.esp=1

HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp=1

BlackthornManor.esp=1

Helgen Reborn.esp=1

QaxeQuestorium.esp=1

goodbrother.esp=1

UnlimitedBookshelves.esp=1

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp=1

mrbs-uniqueloot-se.esp=1

Holidays.esp=1

Point The Way.esp=1

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp=1

DragonsKeep.esp=1

Better Vampire NPCs.esp=1

Hott Vampires 2.esp=0

DivinePeopleOfSkyrim.esp=1

Drachis Argonian Eyes.esp=1

AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1

FriendlyBrynjolf.esp=1

DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp=1

SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrimSE.esp=1

Better Vampires.esp=1

CosmeticVampireOverhaul.esp=1

EEO CRF patch.esp=1

HireServants.esp=1

MannequinStayPut.esp=1

Perfect Touch Them Essentials.esp=1

SubsurfaceScatteringShader.esp=1

Footprints.esp=1

Shiva's Vanilla Clothing Replacer.esp=1

Carpathian Inn.esp=1

TheScarlett.esp=1

Run For Your Lives.esp=1

CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp=1

Carry Weight x100.esp=1

Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp=1

Cloaks.esp=1

Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp=1

1nivWICCloaks.esp=1

aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp=1

Glass Variants.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1

Silverstead.esp=1

Darkwater Crossing.esp=1

Killable Children.esp=1

Blowing in the Wind.esp=1

Dawnstar.esp=1

DaedricCloaks.esp=1

ajd_dommorepotentialmarriagecands_sse_pc.esp=1

LakeHaven.esp=1

Valdmire.esp=1

Distinct People.esp=1

OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE Replacer.esp=1

Shor's Stone.esp=1

Skyshards.esp=1

autoloot.esp=1

WinterstoneCastle.esp=1

Ivarstead.esp=1

Circlets and Masks with all Robes and Hoods.esp=1

CraftableVampireArmor.esp=1

RFCharacterOverhaul.esp=1

The Ordinary Women.esp=1

RFCharacterOverhaul_USSEP.esp=1

faendalfaceliftse.esp=1

Hubbies.esp=1

Dragonstead.esp=1

Provincial Courier Service.esp=1

Kynesgrove.esp=1

ajd_moredawnguardmarriagecandidates_sse_pc.esp=1

TERA Weapons.esp=1

DragonAgeWeapons.esp=1

Soljund's Sinkhole.esp=1

BreezehomeBasement.esp=1

Karthwasten.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo.esp=1

HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo+-+Verdant+Patch.esp=1

Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp=1

AllMorphsAllRaces.esp=1

GDAttire.esp=1

MatureSkinComplexions.esp=1

DragonsKeepSSE-RSSEChildrenPatch.esp=1

Convenient Horses.esp=1

General Stores for Homes all in one.esp=1

RTHoneysideMannequinsHF.esp=1

Dragon Bridge.esp=1

SkyfallEstateBuildable.esp=1

Save the Dark Brotherhood!.esp=1

DiverseWerewolvesCollection.esp=1

MoreWerewolves.esp=1

KrittaKittyHorsesForSSE.esp=1

HF_BrisenheimMannequin02.esp=1

HF_BrisenheimMannequin01.esp=1

ajd_morewoodelves_sse_pc.esp=1

DravenManor.esp=1

Unique Armor Crafting.esp=1

LycHairstyler.esp=1

PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp=1

EmbersHD.esp=1

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1

ajd_moreredguards_sse_pc.esp=1

HoldBorderBanners.esp=1

Bijin AIO.esp=1

Fresh Faces - USSEP.esp=1

IB - All-in-One.esp=1

ajd_morekhajiit_sse_pc.esp=1

ajd_moredarkelves_sse_pc.esp=1

ajd_moreorcs_sse_pc.esp=1

Shadowmarks.esp=1

ajd_morehighelves_sse_pc.esp=1

Blowing in the Wind - Helgen Reborn Patch.esp=1

ajd_moreargonians_sse_pc.esp=1

UNP Vanilla Outfits.esp=1

ColovianNobleClothes_replacer.esp=1

Killable Children - RS.esp=1

PrinceandPauper.esp=1

RSChildren.esp=1

RSChildren - Complete.esp=1

ColovianFurClothes.esp=1

ColovianNobleClothes.esp=1

ImperialFineClothes.esp=1

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp=1

Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch.esp=0

Blowing in the Wind - Castle Valdmire Patch.esp=1

Ranger Outfit SE.esp=0

DragonCarvedArmorSet.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1

HelmetToggle.esp=1

zzArmormashups.esp=1

Faction Crossbows.esp=1

CiriOutfit.esp=1

RSC Blackthorn Patch.esp=1

RSC CRF Patch.esp=1

RSC HR Patch.esp=1

Bijin Warmaidens.esp=1

LaFemmeLycana.esp=1

WolfsPride.esp=1

Aymarandfriends.esp=0

Gildergreen Regrown.esp=1

BVLT - Human.esp=1

TW3_ArmorVariants_Undeadgoblin.esp=1

TW3_femaleArmors_zzjay.esp=1

adventurerMashupComp.esp=1

DragonLordSwords.esp=1

CW Bridge Fix 1.1 .esp=1

TheLily.esp=1

ValkyrieSwordShield.esp=1

Nightingale Prime remaster.esp=1

Unique Uniques.esp=1

Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp=1

Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp=1

Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp=1

Lore Weapon Expansion.esp=1

Relic Hunter Triss.esp=1

FNIS.esp=1

Claire.esp=0

female mannequins in homes.esp=1

The Unclaimed Delivery.esp=1

Dog Followers are Huskies.esp=1

Bijin NPCs.esp=1

Bijin Wives.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp=1

SmartNoMoreStupidDog.esp=1

RWT Lod Fix.esp=1

Vivid WeathersSE.esp=1

WetandCold.esp=1

Vivid Weathers SE - Extended Snow.esp=1

SmokeRemover2.esp=1

Veezara.esp=1

GetBothRewardsSeries.esp=1

Teron Follower.esp=0

NPCOverrides.esp=1

Skysan_Icicle.esp=1

AddPerkPoints.esp=1

SE_HASTE.esp=1

adoptAventusAretinoSE.esp=1

RSChildren_PatchUSSEP.esp=1

adoptAventusSE_RSChildrenComplete.esp=0

adoptAventusSE_RSChildrenUSSEP.esp=1

HearthfireMultikid_PNP Patch.esp=1

Toccata as Elisif.esp=1

Toccata.esp=0

TCoW Improvement.esp=1

BVFE_Serana.esp=1

My Home Is Your Home.esp=1

Honeyside.esp=1

dD - Easy Lift Bodies and Objects.esp=1

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1

CharacterMakingExtender.esp=1

EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp=1

Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1

If anyone would be willing to help me figure out what's going on I'd be very grateful. I love my current character and all but it'd be nice to play something new. I've been on her for a while now. Thank you so much for any help. <3

[jjb54]

A few thoughts:

 

1st - Your Load Order could be a problem:

 

I would suggest LOOT as noted below with USKP being a ' bit further down ' than it should be.

 

IE: Unofficial Skyrim Patch should be closer to the top, basically right under - Dragonborn.

 

2nd - Are you using SKSE64?

 

If you are, I would advise against it at this point. It's NOT " Prime Time Ready ", even the author's state that. There are some mods, more than not actually, that cannot be ran with SKSE64 Alpha. They simply will not work and suffer random CTD and LOCK UPS.

 

It's still in ALPHA and is NOT supported and I have seen a lot of posts that it's so problematic that some ' .. dumped it until it's actually ready ... ' to - ' why are some mod creators pushing this on us, when it's NOT ready? '.

 

The very fact that the authors are NOT supporting this, tells me what I need to know.

 

3rd - I would also check carefully your compatibility with a number of your mods.

 

IE: I see a few NPC change mods, from Divine, to others. I know some can conflict.

 

4th - Can your machine handle that many mods? Seriously asked. I have a few friends that thought their machines were " god machines ", only to find out, they are indeed good, but had a limit to how many mods they could have. Some average between 150 - 200 and over the 200 to 210 their games started to get ' quirky ' to ' Random CTD ' and so on.

[NeshiraNamea]

A few thoughts:

 

1st - Your Load Order could be a problem:

 

I would suggest LOOT as noted below with USKP being a ' bit further down ' than it should be.

 

IE: Unofficial Skyrim Patch should be closer to the top, basically right under - Dragonborn.

 

2nd - Are you using SKSE64?

 

If you are, I would advise against it at this point. It's NOT " Prime Time Ready ", even the author's state that. There are some mods, more than not actually, that cannot be ran with SKSE64 Alpha. They simply will not work and suffer random CTD and LOCK UPS.

 

It's still in ALPHA and is NOT supported and I have seen a lot of posts that it's so problematic that some ' .. dumped it until it's actually ready ... ' to - ' why are some mod creators pushing this on us, when it's NOT ready? '.

 

The very fact that the authors are NOT supporting this, tells me what I need to know.

 

3rd - I would also check carefully your compatibility with a number of your mods.

 

IE: I see a few NPC change mods, from Divine, to others. I know some can conflict.

 

4th - Can your machine handle that many mods? Seriously asked. I have a few friends that thought their machines were " god machines ", only to find out, they are indeed good, but had a limit to how many mods they could have. Some average between 150 - 200 and over the 200 to 210 their games started to get ' quirky ' to ' Random CTD ' and so on.

Thanks for the reply! To answer your questions:

-I use LOOT to sort my load order and usually go from there editing where it needs to be with compatibility.

-I did use SKSE 64 but I uninstalled it recently for exactly that reason. ^_^

-I use SSEEDIT to manually edit mod records for compatibility, especially on my NPC replacers so that I'm only using the version of each character I like best.

-As for my machine I'm pretty sure it can handle anything but I'll post my specs so you can see:

Intel® Core i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz (8 CPUs), ~4.0GHz

16GB RAM

NVidia Geforce GTX 980ti x 2

[jjb54]

I'm puzzled and I like puzzles.

 

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

7 7 Campfire.esm

8 8 Solar's Portable Containers.esm

9 9 GeneralStores.esm

10 a ApachiiHairMales.esm

11 b RSkyrimChildren.esm

12 c Cutting Room Floor.esp

13 d SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

This is my load order, yes I have A LOT more ... but I wanted to show you how LOOT put USSEP.

I wonder about SkyUI and here is why?

From the Mod's Description Page:

Off-site requirements Mod name Notes SKSE64

 

Yes, I know some people that are trying to use it without the SKSE64 and they are PM'ing me with no small frustrations on CTD's - Locks and Slowness ... due to the fact that they are not using SKSE64.

 

My reply is: The author of SkyUI tell you it NEEDS this.

 

And further down on the SkyUI Description page :

 

 

This is an unsupported alpha version for testing. Use at your own risk.

[NeshiraNamea]

Yup, I should have noted that I stopped using Skyui as well because of that. I forgot to re-export my load order. The game is a pita without it but better than dealing with headaches. Granted I didn't have any issues before, I uninstalled them because of this problem hoping it would help. LOOT keeps sorting my Unnoficial patch below the apachi mods but I just deleted those and moved it up. There was a tiny bit of improvement. While the game still crashes I was able to load an old lvl 1 tester character and use racemenu to change her race. However if I load a nord character changing race still crashes the game. I'm going to see if anything modifies the Nord race or any other base races or presets right now.

[jjb54]

I forgot to add: When I tried to play w/SkyUI with and without the SKSE64, I had certain mods that were being accessed by SkyUI that it should not have happened. It really MESSED up those mods so that they did not work, more than they did.

[jjb54]

Okay, so bottom line:

Is this a clean brand new game?

 

Also I might suggest:

 

Go to:

< dir > :\ Users \ Jj \ Documents \ my games \Skyrim Special Edition \

 

Move these two files to a Backup type directory, Just in case:

 

Skyrim.ini

SkyrimPrefs.ini

Then relaunch the game and these files should be recreated. Sometimes these INI files have " hold over settings ", even in a new game that can be " problematic ".

Make sure to Back them up, just in case.

[NeshiraNamea]

I may have to just re-install and do it clean. I disabled all of my mods and re-validated all of the files after deleting the inis but it still happens. Ugh, there goes my day. XD

[jjb54]

I may have to just re-install and do it clean. I disabled all of my mods and re-validated all of the files after deleting the inis but it still happens. Ugh, there goes my day. XD

 

Sorry .... but I feared there was something " hanging on ", which can happen a lot with Scripted Mods, even in a clean save, some .ini file does not want to ' let go ' ....

 

Good luck ... as I've been there, done that and call it a P.I.T.A. day.

[NeshiraNamea]

 

I may have to just re-install and do it clean. I disabled all of my mods and re-validated all of the files after deleting the inis but it still happens. Ugh, there goes my day. XD

 

Sorry .... but I feared there was something " hanging on ", which can happen a lot with Scripted Mods, even in a clean save, some .ini file does not want to ' let go ' ....

 

Good luck ... as I've been there, done that and call it a P.I.T.A. day.

 

The sad thing is I did this just last week to fix another issue I was having after I merged some mods that apparently didn't want to merge (oddly they were all non-leveled weapon/armour mods and showed green in the merge mods tool). I guess I'll keep playing my current character for now since she runs fine and then do it on a day off when I have time to make a proper go.