Ozinator Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Hello Haters! It sucks to do the obligatory but in case if there is an interested mod out there who otherwise wouldn't touch this....I am a confident male who appreciates a strong woman and believes in civilized equality ( my wife is a competing athlete who can kick the s*** out of most men). Having said that, it's embarrassing playing these games set in brutal times modeled after ancient historical societies (Even if they were modeled after most post modern civilizations, it would be stupid). Like every other game aside from Gothic, the game opens up with dialogue trying to sound hard but playing to a PC him/her and it's worse from there; Really? A Romanesque brutal empire having men address a woman as captain? and trying to sound normal while referring to her authority to chop your head? I know there are arguments for "it's a fantasy" but good fantasy pulling from history requires believable premises; it makes less sense than a race of people with cat faces (another request I'll ask for later) So,,,, all apologies to any modder who thinks their woman has a problem with what I said, but I'd like this game much better if no guards were women Please someone, make this game being a brutal fantasy, easier to swallow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennn Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) I can see where you're coming from, but if I recall, although Vikings (obvious basis of the Nords) were sexist to an extent, they actually were a lot more equal than you'd suspect. I'd post a link, but I think that's against site rules. They actually were one of the most sexually equal of the ancient societies, and women were almost all trained to use weapons, though more for defense than offense. It's true though that you probably wouldn't see them as guards... then again, I'm not sure you'd really see any uniformed guards at all in a society like the Nords' or Vikings'. As for myself, I'm just looking for a mod to change the Mer, Argonians, and Khajiit to human races like Redguards or Nords. That seems like it'd be a bigger thing for realism than whether or not females can guard towns. In addition, I'm not certain if you noticed but look at this line of yours:"all apologies to any modder who thinks their woman has a problem with what I said" It makes it sound a lot like you think only males mod, and that only their girlfriends/wives might take offense...You might want to think about that line actually, I've found that we can discover a lot about ourselves by looking at what we say with fresh eyes. Edited March 31, 2012 by Rennn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nivea Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 "all apologies to any modder who thinks their woman has a problem with what I said" It makes it sound a lot like you think only males mod, and that only their girlfriends/wives might take offense... Don't you know there are no women on the internet...duh. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennn Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) "all apologies to any modder who thinks their woman has a problem with what I said" It makes it sound a lot like you think only males mod, and that only their girlfriends/wives might take offense... Don't you know there are no women on the internet...duh. :P I have a hypothesis that there are a lot more females playing games than many males assume. The only ones who get identified as females are the ones who put boobs on their avatar. :rolleyes: Edited March 31, 2012 by Rennn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nivea Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 "all apologies to any modder who thinks their woman has a problem with what I said" It makes it sound a lot like you think only males mod, and that only their girlfriends/wives might take offense... Don't you know there are no women on the internet...duh. :P I have a hypothesis that there are a lot more females playing games than many males assume. The only ones who get identified as females are the ones who put boobs on their avatar. :rolleyes: *whispers* Yeah most the people with boobs on their avatars...are more then likely not women.. XD ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennn Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Well, yeah, but those are the ones who a lot of males think are female. For example, many people would assume that you're a brony because of your avatar :laugh: , meanwhile a dude in his parent's basement uses a girl in skimpy clothes as an avatar and convinces all the teen guys to give out their addresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota71 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 LOL usally who put boobs in his avatar its truly a man a woman will never do this LOL ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozinator Posted March 31, 2012 Author Share Posted March 31, 2012 I can see where you're coming from, but if I recall, although Vikings (obvious basis of the Nords) were sexist to an extent, they actually were a lot more equal than you'd suspect. I'd post a link, but I think that's against site rules. They actually were one of the most sexually equal of the ancient societies, and women were almost all trained to use weapons, though more for defense than offense. It's true though that you probably wouldn't see them as guards... then again, I'm not sure you'd really see any uniformed guards at all in a society like the Nords' or Vikings'. As for myself, I'm just looking for a mod to change the Mer, Argonians, and Khajiit to human races like Redguards or Nords. That seems like it'd be a bigger thing for realism than whether or not females can guard towns. In addition, I'm not certain if you noticed but look at this line of yours:"all apologies to any modder who thinks their woman has a problem with what I said" It makes it sound a lot like you think only males mod, and that only their girlfriends/wives might take offense...You might want to think about that line actually, I've found that we can discover a lot about ourselves by looking at what we say with fresh eyes. Great response as are all the funny ones!I intentionally left out women mods because like the sentence suggests, I was implying that not many women are actually offended by what I'm saying (I think some are but I was having a go at the men who think women should be). I had a long running conversation in the AOC forums before the release of Age of Conan about how I was hoping they stayed true to their promise of sticking to the books. NOPE! everyone was a strong as everyone and though a nice merciless beheading was always available, it felt stupid because of the nonsense that somehow violence upon strangers couldn't be overcome but sexism could. I appreciate your comment about the Viking women while understanding what I'm saying. Celts had warrior women and plenty examples have existed in isolated societies of women having day to day leadership roles. on the AOC threads, I would get people pointing to Conan talking about how tough Sumerian women were. Like you pointed out though, however tough these ladies had to be for tribal survival, the idea that the roles were the same is silly. I had a couple of dames (lol) backing me up that they didn't mind as long as they could be a female character. Cool too! playing a rare and capable female adventurer in a brutal world would be fun roleplaying love your mod idea on Nording out everyone. Lizard men as monsters don't bother me but cat headed races with detailed cultures and such is worse than watching elves get married on-line. And what's with the Orc being a thoughtful guy who wouldn't get killed on sight? All these games kill me this way! Why is there even war and fighting in such understanding worlds? Is Gothic 2 the only game that got it right? (yes, my right is right! even though I'm further to the left than Ralph Nader lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjaxSt Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 In many medieval societies, women were actually quite equal to men. They didn't get paid as much, but other than a few jobs denied to them (Like soldiery), they worked everything men worked. There are records of female blacksmiths, tanners, innkeepers, and much more. Some medieval female brewers were renowned for their excellent drinks, and some female poet were even specifically requested by minor nobility to present to them. Women were not as horribly treated as you'd assume, especially when you consider that in addition to their jobs, they also had to do all the cooking, cleaning, child-rearing, thread-spinning, and sewing as well. There aren't many records of women participating in battle as much more than nurses, but one can assume that they did indeed fight when their homes were under attack. Plus there are records of multiple military women in the middle ages (Joan of Arc being the most famous). Though most military women worked as nurses of standard-bearers. Few participated in actual fighting. Exceptions being Amazons and Celtic Warrior Women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozinator Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) Not sure you read past the initial post. Bringing up exceptional examples (as too did I) doesn't make this designer requirement any more believable. Hell, if it was designed after Countess Jeanne de Penthièvre and Joan it would be good writing but wouldn't forget that common women wouldn't be walking around with rank as captains with men careful of saying "he or she" when discussing hypotheticals. I'm a huge fan of dissident women but outside certain tribal exceptions the "heroines" were largely gilded and not obtainable to regular women OR men. This is just common sense and I would like an ancient world that didn't appeal to modern PC norms. Bring on the Celtic warrior women and make them ugly as sin! Bring on the horrible elitist French General women sending their miserable men into death! Most definitely bring on the outraged African slave woman turned pirate leader!............ but the 50/50 equal society stuff is unnecessary (I think) to roping paying women into buying the game. Edited April 1, 2012 by Ozinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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