Limited Vortex alpha release today, full release soon

[Belfaborac]

In response to post #57575086.

adamscd123 wrote: While it certainly has its flaws and issues, NMM is not as bad as some people have been making it out to be. However, I am looking forward to a new program for mod management.

Very much agreed. I've used NMM since it first appeared, with fairly large mod lists, and have had zero *serious* issues.

Whenever someone drops in here crying and ranting like a moron I automatically think "user error". Edited February 15, 2018 by Belfaborac

[Ethreon]

In response to post #57575051. #57575211, #57577341, #57580321 are all replies on the same post.

ElkkuEEN wrote: Finally, NMM was so bad anyway...

sopmac45 wrote: Ok, now that you are saying that, can you please point out why it was so bad as you said ? Let us know please !

You are new to Nexus ( only one posts ) and your first is to express that NMM was so bad. Go ahead and let us know please why NMM, in your opinion, was so bad. Waiting.

griskald wrote: I mean, the person joined in 2016, they could just be a lurker.

Rovlad84 wrote: NMM has ancient UI for one thing, though it's still way more user friendly than MO/Bash.

Profile switching is not entirely functional.
Installing and uninstalling mods doesn't always add all the files, ending with users having to manually install and uninstall, defeating one of the main roles of a mod manager
Invariable (for me) the UI mods either don't install at all, or they crash the whole thing. It's even funny when it happens during a download as I can simply say I don't want to close NMM, unlike crashes not happening during a download which just boot me out of NMM.

There's a host of bugs you can easily find on the forums, and not all of them are user error. It needs a replacer, and the devs are the first ones to tell you that. It works, and I use it, but those are very common issues a lot of people seem to face.

[mikethorgeo]

Depending on how each player's setup involves mods installed manually and/or outside of NMM, messing with the profiles might be a big no-no. Especially if some of the mods not installed through NMM overwrite one or more files used by other mods.

[peteredw]

In response to post #57570476. #57574741, #57580281 are all replies on the same post.

Belfaborac wrote: Surely it has to be soon soon?

Galschar wrote: Well I'm sure they are still working on bugs, changing things, etc. Give them some time :)
And remember it's still in Alpha State. So it won't be perfect yet

Belfaborac wrote: I don't need perfection, I just want my new toy! Gimme, gimme!

Nothing ever will be perfect for some people, no matter how good something is a problem will come up for someone. It is not that there may be issues with the thing they are complaining about, but that they just gripe about the silliest thing because they do not ask questions whenever they are stuck.

Just like it stating launch date the week of the 12th of the month, if it is not launched on that date, complaints start to circle about it. :)

[peteredw]

In response to post #57575086. #57580346 is also a reply to the same post.

adamscd123 wrote: While it certainly has its flaws and issues, NMM is not as bad as some people have been making it out to be. However, I am looking forward to a new program for mod management.

Belfaborac wrote: Very much agreed. I've used NMM since it first appeared, with fairly large mod lists, and have had zero *serious* issues.

Whenever someone drops in here crying and ranting like a moron I automatically think "user error".

Lol,Belfaborac some people can not read directions for load order. The only time I had an issue with Skyrim was a memory issue, it was nothing to do with my Mods. :)

[DarkDominion]

In response to post #57575051. #57575211, #57577341, #57580321, #57580761 are all replies on the same post.

ElkkuEEN wrote: Finally, NMM was so bad anyway...

sopmac45 wrote: Ok, now that you are saying that, can you please point out why it was so bad as you said ? Let us know please !

You are new to Nexus ( only one posts ) and your first is to express that NMM was so bad. Go ahead and let us know please why NMM, in your opinion, was so bad. Waiting.

griskald wrote: I mean, the person joined in 2016, they could just be a lurker.

Rovlad84 wrote: NMM has ancient UI for one thing, though it's still way more user friendly than MO/Bash.

Ethreon wrote: Profile switching is not entirely functional.
Installing and uninstalling mods doesn't always add all the files, ending with users having to manually install and uninstall, defeating one of the main roles of a mod manager
Invariable (for me) the UI mods either don't install at all, or they crash the whole thing. It's even funny when it happens during a download as I can simply say I don't want to close NMM, unlike crashes not happening during a download which just boot me out of NMM.

There's a host of bugs you can easily find on the forums, and not all of them are user error. It needs a replacer, and the devs are the first ones to tell you that. It works, and I use it, but those are very common issues a lot of people seem to face.

@Ethreon: I always like your comments and I get what you are saying, but

Installing and uninstalling mods doesn't always add all the files, ending with users having to manually install and uninstall, defeating one of the main roles of a mod manager
Invariable (for me) the UI mods either don't install at all, or they crash the whole thing. It's even funny when it happens during a download as I can simply say I don't want to close NMM, unlike crashes not happening during a download which just boot me out of NMM.

This is not broken, it’s just not working for some users for reasons unknown.
I do agree that NMM needs to be replaced because the community wants more out of a mod manager and they want a stable mod manager which will work for all of us, not just some ( give or take a few who can’t read descriptions and are otherwise just plain idiots )

[bigd4450]

In response to post #57575051. #57575211, #57577341, #57580321, #57580761, #57588396 are all replies on the same post.

ElkkuEEN wrote: Finally, NMM was so bad anyway...

sopmac45 wrote: Ok, now that you are saying that, can you please point out why it was so bad as you said ? Let us know please !

You are new to Nexus ( only one posts ) and your first is to express that NMM was so bad. Go ahead and let us know please why NMM, in your opinion, was so bad. Waiting.

griskald wrote: I mean, the person joined in 2016, they could just be a lurker.

Rovlad84 wrote: NMM has ancient UI for one thing, though it's still way more user friendly than MO/Bash.

Ethreon wrote: Profile switching is not entirely functional.
Installing and uninstalling mods doesn't always add all the files, ending with users having to manually install and uninstall, defeating one of the main roles of a mod manager
Invariable (for me) the UI mods either don't install at all, or they crash the whole thing. It's even funny when it happens during a download as I can simply say I don't want to close NMM, unlike crashes not happening during a download which just boot me out of NMM.

There's a host of bugs you can easily find on the forums, and not all of them are user error. It needs a replacer, and the devs are the first ones to tell you that. It works, and I use it, but those are very common issues a lot of people seem to face.

DarkDominion wrote: @Ethreon: I always like your comments and I get what you are saying, but

Installing and uninstalling mods doesn't always add all the files, ending with users having to manually install and uninstall, defeating one of the main roles of a mod manager
Invariable (for me) the UI mods either don't install at all, or they crash the whole thing. It's even funny when it happens during a download as I can simply say I don't want to close NMM, unlike crashes not happening during a download which just boot me out of NMM.

This is not broken, it’s just not working for some users for reasons unknown.
I do agree that NMM needs to be replaced because the community wants more out of a mod manager and they want a stable mod manager which will work for all of us, not just some ( give or take a few who can’t read descriptions and are otherwise just plain idiots )

Strangely though, I have downloaded thousands of mods and never had any of the problems you have mentioned, push a button and it worked. If I had wanted all the bells and whistles I would have gone to MO. I just wanted something that simply worked as advertised and in my case NMM did.

[Ethreon]

In response to post #57575051. #57575211, #57577341, #57580321, #57580761, #57588396, #57611521 are all replies on the same post.

ElkkuEEN wrote: Finally, NMM was so bad anyway...

sopmac45 wrote: Ok, now that you are saying that, can you please point out why it was so bad as you said ? Let us know please !

You are new to Nexus ( only one posts ) and your first is to express that NMM was so bad. Go ahead and let us know please why NMM, in your opinion, was so bad. Waiting.

griskald wrote: I mean, the person joined in 2016, they could just be a lurker.

Rovlad84 wrote: NMM has ancient UI for one thing, though it's still way more user friendly than MO/Bash.

Ethreon wrote: Profile switching is not entirely functional.
Installing and uninstalling mods doesn't always add all the files, ending with users having to manually install and uninstall, defeating one of the main roles of a mod manager
Invariable (for me) the UI mods either don't install at all, or they crash the whole thing. It's even funny when it happens during a download as I can simply say I don't want to close NMM, unlike crashes not happening during a download which just boot me out of NMM.

There's a host of bugs you can easily find on the forums, and not all of them are user error. It needs a replacer, and the devs are the first ones to tell you that. It works, and I use it, but those are very common issues a lot of people seem to face.

DarkDominion wrote: @Ethreon: I always like your comments and I get what you are saying, but

Installing and uninstalling mods doesn't always add all the files, ending with users having to manually install and uninstall, defeating one of the main roles of a mod manager
Invariable (for me) the UI mods either don't install at all, or they crash the whole thing. It's even funny when it happens during a download as I can simply say I don't want to close NMM, unlike crashes not happening during a download which just boot me out of NMM.

This is not broken, it’s just not working for some users for reasons unknown.
I do agree that NMM needs to be replaced because the community wants more out of a mod manager and they want a stable mod manager which will work for all of us, not just some ( give or take a few who can’t read descriptions and are otherwise just plain idiots )

bigd4450 wrote: Strangely though, I have downloaded thousands of mods and never had any of the problems you have mentioned, push a button and it worked. If I had wanted all the bells and whistles I would have gone to MO. I just wanted something that simply worked as advertised and in my case NMM did.

I'm glad it works for you and you think that means the issues doesn't exist.

-- the uninstall issue is spread enough to be more than just user error. If a (basic) feature doesn't work even for part of the software users then said feature is most likely broken to some degree. And it can't really be pinned on user error as it's just a button press.

[bigd4450]

In response to post #57575051. #57575211, #57577341, #57580321, #57580761, #57588396, #57611521, #57614271 are all replies on the same post.

ElkkuEEN wrote: Finally, NMM was so bad anyway...

sopmac45 wrote: Ok, now that you are saying that, can you please point out why it was so bad as you said ? Let us know please !

You are new to Nexus ( only one posts ) and your first is to express that NMM was so bad. Go ahead and let us know please why NMM, in your opinion, was so bad. Waiting.

griskald wrote: I mean, the person joined in 2016, they could just be a lurker.

Rovlad84 wrote: NMM has ancient UI for one thing, though it's still way more user friendly than MO/Bash.

Ethreon wrote: Profile switching is not entirely functional.
Installing and uninstalling mods doesn't always add all the files, ending with users having to manually install and uninstall, defeating one of the main roles of a mod manager
Invariable (for me) the UI mods either don't install at all, or they crash the whole thing. It's even funny when it happens during a download as I can simply say I don't want to close NMM, unlike crashes not happening during a download which just boot me out of NMM.

There's a host of bugs you can easily find on the forums, and not all of them are user error. It needs a replacer, and the devs are the first ones to tell you that. It works, and I use it, but those are very common issues a lot of people seem to face.

DarkDominion wrote: @Ethreon: I always like your comments and I get what you are saying, but

Installing and uninstalling mods doesn't always add all the files, ending with users having to manually install and uninstall, defeating one of the main roles of a mod manager
Invariable (for me) the UI mods either don't install at all, or they crash the whole thing. It's even funny when it happens during a download as I can simply say I don't want to close NMM, unlike crashes not happening during a download which just boot me out of NMM.

This is not broken, it’s just not working for some users for reasons unknown.
I do agree that NMM needs to be replaced because the community wants more out of a mod manager and they want a stable mod manager which will work for all of us, not just some ( give or take a few who can’t read descriptions and are otherwise just plain idiots )

bigd4450 wrote: Strangely though, I have downloaded thousands of mods and never had any of the problems you have mentioned, push a button and it worked. If I had wanted all the bells and whistles I would have gone to MO. I just wanted something that simply worked as advertised and in my case NMM did.

Ethreon wrote: I'm glad it works for you and you think that means the issues doesn't exist.

-- the uninstall issue is spread enough to be more than just user error. If a (basic) feature doesn't work even for part of the software users then said feature is most likely broken to some degree. And it can't really be pinned on user error as it's just a button press.

Well your right, I can only speak for myself and the countless others that have stated they had no problems with NMM and the old Nexus. And I am sorry that all of the problems of Nexus seemed to have heaped upon you as I've never had any of your stated issues, and I'm one of those people that if something involves pushing more than one button I have to call my grandkids.
Also, using your logic. (sorry, I dont know how you quote someone on here so I will paraphraise.) "if a basic feature doesnt work for even part of the users". If a basic program doesnt work, for even part of the users, it shouldnt be implemented. Just saying.

[Sesheenku]

About Vortex... is this a virtual install only? In other words, do mods never install to the actual Skyrim folder?

 

I'm highly concerned because I'm a mod user that likes to tweak mods to my taste. This often means installing them and editing/replacing installed files as needed which I don't see being possible with a fully virtual install?

 

If that's the case then Vortex can never serve me as well as NMM. As I speak my Skyrim contains numerous mods that have to be installed and then customized by moving/replacing/editing files that are installed in the folder.

 

So what's the deal here?