hotfile lore-unfriendly armor again?

[Karasuman]

When I look at TES or PES, I don't even look at the Hot Files. I simply go to the categories section and have the site show me the files in descending order by date. All of the files that are new in that category will still show up, If I see a mod I don't like, I can scroll past it. It takes all of two seconds to move past ones I don't want. I'm not sure more filtration is needed, though if the moderators choose to add extra features, kudos to them.

 

As a sidenote, I'd like to mention that I don't particularly mind scrolling past a few mods I don't like to see ones I do. I feel that even the authors of the mods I don't like have still put a lot of work into their mods and I still appreciate their contribution to the community, even if it's something I don't want. I might not like what they made, but I'm not going to directly confront or deride them for making it.

 

This is just my personal take on the matter, nothing more.

[Calamachus]

What's funny is I'm actually a passable anime fan. I just don't have any interest for that sort of stuff as a mod - no issue with someone who does, just that it's not quite my thing for Skyrim. I'm also a big fan of having a diverse set of mods available. Someone may get inspired by some anime retex or sexy armor mod and make something lore friendly out of it. I don't really even mind that the Hot Files are generally filled with stuff that doesn't interest me and go searching for things that do. Nexus is a well laid out site and it's not that hard to search stuff up.

 

However.

 

I don't feel it's unreasonable or disrespectful to anyone to say that IMO there should be a Lore Friendly Hot List. Skyrim didn't just spring fully formed from the forehead of Todd Howard. It's the 5th game in a series with a rich, involved lore. A good chunk of players, especially those who like mods, have played prior TES titles and gravitate towards keeping the game true to original form and concept. Is a lore-friendly section of the Nexus an unreasonable request? Just a link to it from the home page, leaving everything else as is, would be awesome. Currently it's a lot of sorting to find something that's not a pretty huge deviation from what Skyrim is if I want to add a mod to my game.

 

Admittedly we should all endorse more. Religiously and fervently. Speak up and promote the mods you like and it promotes more people to enjoy them and more people to make them.

 

Hmm.... in the interim while we beg/whine/cajole Nexus to make it easy for us, anyone up for making a thread with 'recommended lore-friendly' mods? I'd really love to see what other people of a similar interest are playing. Maybe there's something cool I've missed in the shuffle.

[Tidus44]

I actually have tears running down my face, thinking of the absolute agony and torture people must horribly suffer through as they spend a few minutes searching a free web site for a free mod that meets their standards of design and function, but they are exposed to - "gasp" - lore-unfriendly mods that have been placed on the Hot Files where the most popular and most endorsed mods are placed.

 

I think someone should start a movement, a Facebook page and make a YouTube video documenting this tragedy so everyone in the world can work to help these poor, hard done by, mistreated individuals so they are never, ever again exposed to mods they don't think will meet their ideals of "lore friendly".

 

I'd be the first to endorse it with a "Like" thumbs up.

[Dan3345]

I actually have tears running down my face, thinking of the absolute agony and torture people must horribly suffer through as they spend a few minutes searching a free web site for a free mod that meets their standards of design and function, but they are exposed to - "gasp" - lore-unfriendly mods that have been placed on the Hot Files where the most popular and most endorsed mods are placed.

 

I think someone should start a movement, a Facebook page and make a YouTube video documenting this tragedy so everyone in the world can work to help these poor, hard done by, mistreated individuals so they are never, ever again exposed to mods they don't think will meet their ideals of "lore friendly".

 

I'd be the first to endorse it with a "Like" thumbs up.

What is your problem? What I have specifically said is something Dark0ne himself has talked about implementing.

 

Think of it this way. If I am a jerk, and I see the mods that bug me, eventually I am going to lash out because thats human nature. My lashing out will be in the form of trolling. In the case of being able to hide these mods, you eliminate so much trolling and flaming if people can simply choose what they want to see and when.

 

I don't understand the hostility in these topics. Nobody is saying we want them gone, nobody is suggesting the people who like them are weird, all we are saying is there should be a choice of preferences.

 

I really cannot fathom where you get off with your sarcasm, this is something that would be a huge benefit to everyone on the nexus not just the few of us who don't like the skimpy armors.

[Calamachus]

@Tidus44:

 

Boy it's a good thing you chimed in. I can't say how glad I am that you shared that.

 

No, seriously. In the terms and conditions. It pretty much outright says that I can't say it. Something about flaming.

 

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Anyway.

 

Again, the idea isn't about changing the layout of the Nexus site or tacit implication that one mod is better than another. Just some better search options for lore friendly content. By Lore Friendly I'm content with anything moderately in keeping with the game setting in the opinion of the mod-developer.

[yota71]

What you mean by no lore friendly, the skimpy thing or the anime thing, because i find some of the modders create truly awesome armor and weapons (example, leere armor, eisen armor and ritter armor, for the weapons the noble artefact or the Nicoroshi weapons) so with the word lore-friendly or no lore friendly not generalize

 

Because on what i understand not even the vanilla armor are lore-friendly :)

[Dan3345]

To be honest, I don't think this is about lore-friendly vs unlore-friendly. That is more of a personal opinion. What I am simply stating, is that the hot files should display mods according to each individuals own preferences.

 

Its such a simple thing which would go such a long way for delivering to people the mods they want to see while at the same time giving new mods the exposure they deserve. Haven't you ever found that diamond in the rough that you couldn't find without searching? That one mod that has a good amount of endorsements but for some reason never made it onto the hot files? I know I have, and those are the mods that I would hope to see if I could set my own preferences. Skimpy armor mods are fine, I have no problem with them at all, or the people who download them. But I for one would like to see mods with more substance for my download pleasure and at the same time, that you and I would be able to see which mods we want; we would also make the community a better place by removing many of the situations which incline people to troll or flame other mod authors.

 

Whether your mod is a new skimpy armor set, or a subtle yet nice graphic mod both authors work hard to produce something enjoyable and of good quality to there separate audiences, and they both deserve respect for it. They aren't paid, they do it for fun and to share with us what they worked on. Neither deserve trolling or flaming, and if we can remove it by creating a simple work around, then why not go for it? People who troll/flame would have even less of an excuse to do so. You would have no excuse for going on an armor mod and saying "lol loser pervs go outside, I hate this stuff" when you have the option of not seeing it all together.

Edited April 8, 2012 by Dan3345

[yota71]

Whether your mod is a new skimpy armor set, or a subtle yet nice graphic mod both authors work hard to produce something enjoyable and of good quality to there separate audiences, and they both deserve respect for it. They aren't paid, they do it for fun and to share with us what they worked on. Neither deserve trolling or flaming, and if we can remove it by creating a simple work around, then why not go for it? People who troll/flame would have even less of an excuse to do so. You would have no excuse for going on an armor mod and saying "lol loser pervs go outside, I hate this stuff" when you have the option of not seeing it all together.

 

True maybe a filter will prevent the troll trolling around, but filtering usally is a thing that i not like and usally filtering prevent you to find some hidden jewel that's all :)

[RedRavyn]

"We sing tales of kings, queens and their politics, 'tis true. But do you know who really makes history? The person who writes it." (Jorn, Bards College).

 

I always find it amusing when players of ES games talk about "lore-friendly", as though that's some kind of cannon, carved in ancient stone. Bethesda, itself, can't decide from one game to the next what is "lore-friendly" and what isn't. Whether this is because they just don't give a skeever's behind about established lore or because their various developers don't talk to each other and aren't reqired to actually read up on the lore, is beside the point. The point is that they change things all the time. In truth, I think Bethesda's CEO is actually Mehrunes Dagon, the Lord of Change, in disguise.

 

Now, we have talk of a lore-friendly Hot List, where "lore-friendly" is decided by the modders who submit their mods? I shudder to think of the consequences -- not that the players don't tend to be much more lore-knowledgeable than at least some of the developers of the game, of course. This little feature would be abused. Badly. Just because someone with a sex-mod wants to get it into the Hot List, you'll see stuff with skimpy (or no) underwear getting into the Lore-Friendly Hot Files ("Hey, people back in the days of Morrowind were making babies, right? This is lore-friendly, then!"). More work for the administrative staff, I'm afraid.

 

I don't have a problem perusing the current day's uploads and changes. I can tell at a glance whether most of the mods I see are going to interest me or not. If I'm looking for something specific that might be buried in mods uploaded much earlier, I can still usually glance through the search results and almost instantly eliminate the (to me) undesirables. It takes but a few minutes.

 

Besides, I'll be honest, here. What's "hot" to me will probably not be "hot" to most of the other gamers. I seldom see something on the Hot List that interests me, save for some of the essential mods that fix problems with the game. I'm an old-timer. I'm not into skimpy armor and "suggestive animations". I don't want a Dwemerized AK-47. I don't want modern-looking plush furniture for Breezehome. I want to increase the realism of my gaming experience. I want the bugs fixed. I want bad decisions by the developers corrected. Frankly, I couldn't care less about "lore-friendly". If it has a positive impact on my gaming experience, based upon what I'm looking for in the game, then it's a Good Mod. If it has a negative impact on my gaming experience, then it's a Bad Mod. Those are the only two categories that matter to me, and what's Good for me might well be Bad for you -- and vice versa.

[Dan3345]

"We sing tales of kings, queens and their politics, 'tis true. But do you know who really makes history? The person who writes it." (Jorn, Bards College).

 

I always find it amusing when players of ES games talk about "lore-friendly", as though that's some kind of cannon, carved in ancient stone. Bethesda, itself, can't decide from one game to the next what is "lore-friendly" and what isn't. Whether this is because they just don't give a skeever's behind about established lore or because their various developers don't talk to each other and aren't reqired to actually read up on the lore, is beside the point. The point is that they change things all the time. In truth, I think Bethesda's CEO is actually Mehrunes Dagon, the Lord of Change, in disguise.

 

Now, we have talk of a lore-friendly Hot List, where "lore-friendly" is decided by the modders who submit their mods? I shudder to think of the consequences -- not that the players don't tend to be much more lore-knowledgeable than at least some of the developers of the game, of course. This little feature would be abused. Badly. Just because someone with a sex-mod wants to get it into the Hot List, you'll see stuff with skimpy (or no) underwear getting into the Lore-Friendly Hot Files ("Hey, people back in the days of Morrowind were making babies, right? This is lore-friendly, then!"). More work for the administrative staff, I'm afraid.

 

I don't have a problem perusing the current day's uploads and changes. I can tell at a glance whether most of the mods I see are going to interest me or not. If I'm looking for something specific that might be buried in mods uploaded much earlier, I can still usually glance through the search results and almost instantly eliminate the (to me) undesirables. It takes but a few minutes.

 

Besides, I'll be honest, here. What's "hot" to me will probably not be "hot" to most of the other gamers. I seldom see something on the Hot List that interests me, save for some of the essential mods that fix problems with the game. I'm an old-timer. I'm not into skimpy armor and "suggestive animations". I don't want a Dwemerized AK-47. I don't want modern-looking plush furniture for Breezehome. I want to increase the realism of my gaming experience. I want the bugs fixed. I want bad decisions by the developers corrected. Frankly, I couldn't care less about "lore-friendly". If it has a positive impact on my gaming experience, based upon what I'm looking for in the game, then it's a Good Mod. If it has a negative impact on my gaming experience, then it's a Bad Mod. Those are the only two categories that matter to me, and what's Good for me might well be Bad for you -- and vice versa.

I agree with you, which is why I do not like that the TC and others who have posted here have made this into a lore-friendly argument.

 

This isn't about the lore. It's about stopping trolls before they can start, and protecting mod authors. Its about allowing the nexus users added choice on what they want to see personally. If implemented one persons preferences would have absolutely no effect on another persons own choices on what they see and don't see.

 

It also would not make it so that you can't see these files at all. If you still searched for them and made an effort you would in fact still see them. They aren't going anywhere just because an individual chooses not to see them in their hot files. No-one has said to block them altogether.