jackssn Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Ok I've read the installation instructions on reinstalling the game and I still can not get the game to load. :wallbash: Help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Not much to go on - we need information to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackssn Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Not much to go on - we need information to help. I'm not sure what information you but here goes. When I attempt to start the game using the Oblivion launcher the program never load it's just CTD. I've attempted to reload the game , removed all the old save games from the dir, reinstalled the game, attempted to start with basic game and CTD. :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 CTDs can be caused by many things, A CTD on start up can be caused by trying to run a mod that requires OBSE without loading it first, or a mod that requires the latest patch without it. Or trying to run a mod that requires another mod to be present to work. If you have never been able to get Oblivion to run it can be caused by a system that is too weak to run oblivion. It will help if you can give us the basic information on your computer. Mother board, processor, speed, amount of RAM, Video board, video RAM, audio, Hard drive size and amount of free space. And the operating system - Win XP or Vista. Then, if you are using mods, a list of the mods in their load order - How to get a load order list to post using OBMM A load order list is needed for troubleshooting - The list in the Oblivion data list is not always in the order that things are actually loaded. How to get your load order list into a post using OBMM If you don't have OBMM, it is a great tool for managing mods as well as moving them in the load order and finding certain kinds of conflicts. It has many other capabilities, but this post is just to show how to get the load order list into a post for troubleshooting. First, of course you have to have OBMM (Oblivion Mod Manager) it's available free from the author's site here: http://timeslip.chorrol.com/ Look in the column on the left side, find the heading “Oblivion mod manager”To download, click on the download just below the heading. A new page will open with a list of different ways to install – pick the self installer.Save the file, the best place is a separate folder you make mine is on the desk top and is oblivion downloads\OBMM. The main folder is called Oblivion Downloads. Then a subfolder inside that is called OBMM) After it has downloaded, open that folder and find the file you just downloaded. It will be named obmm.zip. Click on it to start the install. It should automatically find your Oblivion and install itself in the right place. It will also give you the option of creating a desktop icon, a Quick launch icon. I recommend only the desktop icon. Then the options for associating files – select all of these. When it finishes installing, OBMM will start automatically. It will start with a list of your mods on the left pane in their current load order. Active mods will be checked and inactive will have an empty check box. To copy the load order, look on the right, you will see a box with 'Import/Export'. Click that.Then select the first option, 'View Load Order' A new window will open with only your active mods listed in their load order. Use your mouse to highlight the entire list, then left click on the highlighted list. A box will open with Cut, copy paste. Select copy – DO NOT SELECT CUT! Now you can close the window and close OBMM (This might take a few minutes as OBMM takes a while to close.) Go to where you want to put the load order list – I recommend creating either a text document or a word processing document and naming it load order and the date (load order 6-22-08.txt) Then open that document, place your cursor at the beginning and right click. Select paste. This should copy your load order into the document. Now, to get the load order into a post, open the forum, find where you want to place the load order list and paste it. The copied text will be inserted where you place the mouse cursor. Then, once we know your system, we may be able to figure out why your game crashes when you try to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackssn Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 CTDs can be caused by many things, A CTD on start up can be caused by trying to run a mod that requires OBSE without loading it first, or a mod that requires the latest patch without it. Or trying to run a mod that requires another mod to be present to work. If you have never been able to get Oblivion to run it can be caused by a system that is too weak to run oblivion. It will help if you can give us the basic information on your computer. Mother board, processor, speed, amount of RAM, Video board, video RAM, audio, Hard drive size and amount of free space. And the operating system - Win XP or Vista. Then, if you are using mods, a list of the mods in their load order - How to get a load order list to post using OBMM A load order list is needed for troubleshooting - The list in the Oblivion data list is not always in the order that things are actually loaded. How to get your load order list into a post using OBMM If you don't have OBMM, it is a great tool for managing mods as well as moving them in the load order and finding certain kinds of conflicts. It has many other capabilities, but this post is just to show how to get the load order list into a post for troubleshooting. First, of course you have to have OBMM (Oblivion Mod Manager) it's available free from the author's site here: http://timeslip.chorrol.com/ Look in the column on the left side, find the heading "Oblivion mod manager"To download, click on the download just below the heading. A new page will open with a list of different ways to install – pick the self installer.Save the file, the best place is a separate folder you make mine is on the desk top and is oblivion downloads\OBMM. The main folder is called Oblivion Downloads. Then a subfolder inside that is called OBMM) After it has downloaded, open that folder and find the file you just downloaded. It will be named obmm.zip. Click on it to start the install. It should automatically find your Oblivion and install itself in the right place. It will also give you the option of creating a desktop icon, a Quick launch icon. I recommend only the desktop icon. Then the options for associating files – select all of these. When it finishes installing, OBMM will start automatically. It will start with a list of your mods on the left pane in their current load order. Active mods will be checked and inactive will have an empty check box. To copy the load order, look on the right, you will see a box with 'Import/Export'. Click that.Then select the first option, 'View Load Order' A new window will open with only your active mods listed in their load order. Use your mouse to highlight the entire list, then left click on the highlighted list. A box will open with Cut, copy paste. Select copy – DO NOT SELECT CUT! Now you can close the window and close OBMM (This might take a few minutes as OBMM takes a while to close.) Go to where you want to put the load order list – I recommend creating either a text document or a word processing document and naming it load order and the date (load order 6-22-08.txt) Then open that document, place your cursor at the beginning and right click. Select paste. This should copy your load order into the document. Now, to get the load order into a post, open the forum, find where you want to place the load order list and paste it. The copied text will be inserted where you place the mouse cursor. Then, once we know your system, we may be able to figure out why your game crashes when you try to start.Thanks for the answer but what I was trying to do was a fresh install with not mods with anything added to the original program with the intent to start back with the mods with more intell of how they should be installed ect. However after deleting the file, moving all the save file etc. I can't even start the game. I know it's something you guys can help me with but I'm loss. BTB my system specs have supported the game for over a year so I don't think that is the problem. With a new load I would think I would be back to the day I got the first intall. The operating system is Vista (I know everyone out there hates this but FYI the game is installed in a directory other than program, and I have been playing for more than a year. :thanks: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Here is my suggested reinstall procedure. When you uninstall Oblivion it doesn't really uninstall everything. Then when you start adding mods before you have started the game, some things may not get initialized properly. Here is my recommended procedure for uninstalling and reinstalling. I would appreciate any feedback on this as it is something I expect to post often and I hate to give bogus or useless information. Reinstalling Oblivion My instructions assume you are using Windows XP and have installed Oblivion into the default location. If you are using Vista or Linux, the file locations may be different. For a full reinstall, first you should try to preserve your mods and save games. The easiest way is to rename the data folder where your mods are stored C:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Data to something else such as \olddata. Then rename the folder that has your saved games and Oblivion.ini, C:\documents and settings\your user name\my documents\My Games\oblivion to something like \My games\Old Oblivion - this saves your saved games and the oblivion.ini file. Then, using the original CD, NOT the Launcher on your Hard drive. Select uninstall. After it completes the uninstall, reboot your computer - this is important as it allows Windows to remove some references to the original Oblivion. This would be a good time to do a file clean up and defragment your hard drive. Now, again using the original CD, reinstall Oblivion. Before adding any mods, patches or Shivering Isles, start the game and make a save. This initializes some stuff that needs to be initialized. Now, If you DO NOT use Shivering Isles, patch the game using ONLY the latest Oblivion patch. All of the stuff from the earlier patches is included. Be sure you use the proper language patch. If you use the wrong one it may work, but with a strange mixture of languages. (Germanglish?) Or it may crash. NOTE: there are two English Patches UK & US and they are different. (Some people actually think we speak the same language) Use the one that matches your original disk. If you use Shivering Isles, DO NOT install the Oblivion patch. Install Shivering Isles, then ONLY the latest Shivering Isles patch. All of the updates for Oblivion are included. There is only one Shivering Isles patch for both US & UK English Now, again start the game and make a save. Test to be sure everything is working right (No purple objects or yellow blocks) Before adding any mods, back up both your \data folder and the save game folder. Copy them, don't move or rename them, to a different folder - such as \Bethesda\Clean Oblivion\data and \Bethesda\clean Oblivion\saves. Note, Your Oblivion.ini file is in the same folder, but separate from, the save game folder. Now rename the \data folder to \newdata and the \oldata back to \data. this restores all of your mods. You should now have 2 data folders \data, and \newdata. Then rename the new My Games\Oblivion to something like \New Oblivion. and the \Old oblivion to \oblivion - this restores all of your saved games and your original Oblivion.ini file. If you have the same problem, it is most likely caused by a mod. However, you now have a clean install to fall back on. You can rename the files back to what they were and be back to your clean install without having to reinstall again. Sounds like lots of work, but you will have a clean install and a back up clean install when you are finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackssn Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 Thanks again for the fast answer however I've done everything (I think deleted the game, restarted defraged, reinstalled and attemped to start) the same thing. BTB the game is not located in the program dir as VISTA can cause problems if it is. The one thingI do not understand is if the program and all it's files have been deleted what causes the program to fail on load? :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackssn Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 :wallbash: Before adding any mods, patches or Shivering Isles, start the game and make a save. This initializes some stuff that needs to be initialized. At this point I can not load the game; CTD everytime. Thanks for the input but this old man is going to bed without a game I've been playing for a year. I'm not sure what to do next. :thanks: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macmert Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Search for viruses trojans etc, I am not familiar with vista, I use xp SP1, try defrag, virus check, maybe scan your HDD for bad sectors, and if all fails I would suggest formatting :D since Mr. Gates always comes up with weird OS's, you might need to refresh your computer with formatting :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackssn Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 Search for viruses trojans etc, I am not familiar with vista, I use xp SP1, try defrag, virus check, maybe scan your HDD for bad sectors, and if all fails I would suggest formatting :D since Mr. Gates always comes up with weird OS's, you might need to refresh your computer with formatting :D Thanks for the input I was hoping that would not be required as to do so would require about a day of installing programs. :wallbash: I just can not understand how something could slam the program to the point of not even loading past the point of the logo before a CTD :verymad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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