Halororor Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 I hope most of you know about the recent stuff that happened in Zimbabwe. For those born underground, it's a land just above South Africa ruled by a sinister president called-wait for it.....Robert Mugabe. The different governments of the world mostly diagree with what he is doing, but nobody can really stop him. He killed a lot of the white farmers a while back and gave their farms to black people who don't know how to farm, resulting in there being not enough food for his people and he is now ruling them under dictatorship. My question is, should other countries of the world be able to go in their and take away his power and stop what he is doing or should he be left alone to deal with an almost certain civil war that will arise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macmert Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 I am sorry but no one should meddle in other people's affairs, if any national conflict will be solved, it is the duty of UN... Since UN is formed by the world's biggest and manupilation masters, it will not do any good... That means if the head voting five nations disagree with what is going on in a country in need of help, they vote against it and their votes are more powerful then any attending nations, such as any of the five countries (USA, England, France, Russia and China? Sorry I can t remember them now) vote against it, the case is closed... Further more, the UN is easily disregarded as the Iraq situation, Mr. Bush made a clear statement "If you are not helping us, you are against us" which means any nation disagrees with USA will be considered a potential enemy, since Turkey didnt help USA for invasion of Iraq (Yes it is an invasion not rescue) by closing down the US base in Adana, the relations with Turkey and USA got damaged... I will not even talk about the religious racism against the muslims, the suffering they have to endure in USA, looking at them as potential terrorrists... And this "interfering" is a two sided blade, like the Iraq incident, the USA forces marched there supposedly toppling a dictator Saddam Husein, and it all ended with a civil war, the arabs and kurds there fighting eachother to gain the upperhand, in the meantime the very lands that would be cleansed of terrorists are still bases for terrorists... The infamous terrorist Osama Bin Laden is acutally a CIA trained man, who based himself Afghanistan against the Russian invasion, Laden was trained to terror the land so the Russians would retreat and they did, now USA is after him casue the man trained is against them now... As for the Iraq incident, there were some chemical weapons so to speak, but none was found, the only evidence was some 3d modeling of some trucks that were mobile labs... No picture was ever taken, no document was presented to the media, to UN or anyone... To fund that war USA disregarded the Katrina and many people still suffer, not to mention the misbehavior of USA troops in Iraq... So, noone should meddle to any other country's affairs in any way possible... If there should be some interfering, UN should be the one do it... not any one else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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macmert Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 So you say history is written by the victorious :D If USA had succesed in Iraq it would be a glorious victory against a madman, now it is a civil war :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Halororor Posted July 9, 2008 Author Share Posted July 9, 2008 So you say history is written by the victorious :D If USA had succesed in Iraq it would be a glorious victory against a madman, now it is a civil war :DSo I say that history is written by all of humanity but all of humanity tends to agree with power The war in Iraq is the result of irrational foreign policies that stem from years of substance abuse. The developed nations of the world are and have been addicted to OIL. This is according to the agenda that could lead to the end of another race of humanity and the greater life here on earth. Perhaps I was to short in my words above. another race of humanityWe have been "here" before in another garden... the agendaWe are tools of another sentient race and we have been told how to win our freedom and yet we are lost in war and self destruction??? I've been thinking about that too, if another race from somewhere in the galaxy was to discover us now, what would they say if they saw us fighting ourselves and destroying our planet? Anyway, the problem is that Zimbabwe can no longer really be called a land, that place is just hell, and almost everybody disagrees with what is happening there, but yet, the South-African president stands firmly behind Zimbabwe. The same president who says there isn't a crime problem in SOuth Africa and then directly afterwards buys a 90 million Rand (about $12 million) wall to enclose his home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macmert Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Well the Zimbabwe situation is bad, it is hell, very much like the Darfour incident, like the Sarajevo incident, like the Iraq incident, you can count many many more these are only the ones I remember... The fact is there is a foundation in this world to stop these madmen, the United Nations... The only being to meddle in the affairs of national or international crisis is the UN... Other countries should not meddle, since you cant trust their agenda, very much like the Iraq incident, there is an international foundation to deal with this so we should try to make UN work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sharkull Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 ... and any government of humanity will seek all alternatives to death before destroying life....A nice dream, but that's not the way the world actually works (no matter how much we may want it to). Wars happen when alternatives exist. Genocides happen. Dictators protect themselves leaving their populations to suffer unspeakable horrors. Sad but true. Should the world sit back and watch when crimes against humanity are being commited by a government against its citizens? No. The hard part is determining how to intervene and not make things worse. To this problem there is no easy answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sativarg Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 A nice dream, but that's not the way the world actually works (no matter how much we may want it to). Wars happen when alternatives exist... Yea, nice words have no effect without influences that fit each situation. The worlds people have to decide how to agree enough to build some thing better I suppose. The hard part is determining how to intervene and not make things worse. To this problem there is no easy answer. I think part of the answer would be genuine words and actions when ever possible. Much of what has gone wrong seems to involve secrets and manipulations that may have seemed proper at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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