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delphinus Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Right of self-determination of nations. (if my translation is correct) After the abomination of the Iraq war this right has been forgotten, but it still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkull Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Actually I believe the goal should be "right of self-determination for individual human beings", not nations. This is the problem: corrupt people who claim to speak for a nation, while ignoring the voices of their nation's citizens (all too often persecuting them). Zimbabwe, Burma... there are many examples past and present. [aside]Sativarg:None of the books are called "Sword of Truth" (that's the name of the series). The quote (from its contents) sounds like it would be from the first one: Wizards First Rule.[/aside] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delphinus Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Actually I believe the goal should be "right of self-determination for individual human beings", not nations. This is the problem: corrupt people who claim to speak for a nation, while ignoring the voices of their nation's citizens (all too often persecuting them). Zimbabwe, Burma... there are many examples past and present. [aside]Sativarg:None of the books are called "Sword of Truth" (that's the name of the series). The quote (from its contents) sounds like it would be from the first one: Wizards First Rule.[/aside] I think a population has a responsibility towads the government they elect. And this responsibility involves the armed resistance if there is an extreme need. IF THEY WANT. Other countries can decide what is better for a population or not? iraqis were better or worse before that barbaric war? Can you decide what girl is better for me, sexy and dumb or plain and smart? your advices are appreciated, but thanks, i can decide for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkull Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I think a population has a responsibility towads the government they elect. And this responsibility involves the armed resistance if there is an extreme need. IF THEY WANT.Good points, but what about unelected governments? What about limited (one) choice "elections"? And how can people who struggle to eat daily mount any sort of effective resistance to an organized opressive government whose sole goal is retaining power? If people freely choose a government with viable alternatives, then let them live with it. If the people have absolutely no power over their goverment representation (through voting or potential revolt), and their government doesn't make the population's well-being a priority, then how is it right to sanction such a situation? And as I mentioned earlier, seeing that something should be done is easy. Knowing what to do (so as to not make things worse) is hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sativarg Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 [aside]Sativarg:None of the books are called "Sword of Truth" (that's the name of the series). The quote (from its contents) sounds like it would be from the first one: Wizards First Rule.[/aside]this is an excerpt from a book I am listening to. The Sword of Truth, written by Terry Goodkind, is an epic series encompassing the stories of a diverse cast of characters. Each volume is self-contained, in that the primary conflicts of each novel aWell yes I knew that. But the excerpt I uploaded was the part of the story that inspired me and it was the first description of the sword itself thus the title I gave the file. The description above is about the series and is misleading, As I had said it was a book I was listening to, so I am sorry for my ambiguity. Do you know the wizards first rule? It might be considered a spoiler so I will not post it here. I am beginning to really enjoy this Book. I am also seeing in it some good words of wisdom. Listening is slow business. this book will take some time to finish then there is the next... I heard a rumor that Disney will be releasing this soon on TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkull Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 ...I replied in a new thread to prevent hijacking this one:http://thenexusforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66464:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sativarg Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 ...I replied in a new thread to prevent hijacking this one:http://thenexusforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66464:)Yea your right I should have respected that rule as well.kudos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delphinus Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I think a population has a responsibility towads the government they elect. And this responsibility involves the armed resistance if there is an extreme need. IF THEY WANT.Good points, but what about unelected governments? What about limited (one) choice "elections"? One more reason for the people (of that nation only) to organize a resistance. And, by the way, do you think there's difference from a tyrant elected by the people and one who takes power with violence? Most of the times, NO. The dictators elected by a cultural-controlled mass (our psychodwarf Silvio Berlusconi for example) are far more common than ones that use tanks and executions in order to take power. And these last ones NEVER act alone, (except some famous cases) but they receive an "extra help" from other countries... if you understand what i mean. :turned: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkull Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I think a population has a responsibility towads the government they elect. And this responsibility involves the armed resistance if there is an extreme need. IF THEY WANT.Good points, but what about unelected governments? What about limited (one) choice "elections"? One more reason for the people (of that nation only) to organize a resistance. Yeah, malnourished people using sticks and stones to fight against a trained millitary force using automatic weapons... That has a chance of working. :rolleyes: And, by the way, do you think there's difference from a tyrant elected by the people and one who takes power with violence? Most of the times, NO. The dictators elected by a cultural-controlled mass (our psychodwarf Silvio Berlusconi for example) are far more common than ones that use tanks and executions in order to take power.If people vote for a tyrant when there is a viable alternative then that is their choice. Even a choice between the lesser of two evils would be better than no choice at all (because of the built-in motivation of leaders to win over 50%+1 of their voting population). If you're seriously comparing Italian politics to the situation in Zimbabwe... get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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