LE Enchantment based on number of disenchantment

[opannes]

Hi, guys, I'm not even sure this can be a thing and it's probably a bit late to start thinking about this on now that Skyrim SE is out. But here goes.

 

Right now enchantments look like this:

Weapon/ armor got enchantment X ------> disenchant Weapon/ armor, you learn enchantment X and the item is destroyed, Right.

 

What I would like is:

you got a few armor boots and a bunch of jewelry all whit the same enchantment. Let's say it increases your sneak by various amounts, Here is how I like to disenchant.

 

The first pair of Armor boot has enchantment lv increase sneak by 10 ----> Disenchant and you get a base enchantment level of let's say 5.

 

The second pair of Armor boot has enchantment lv increase sneak by 8 ---> You disenchant and your basic enchantment level increases to lets say 7.

 

And the more you disenchant the higher your base enchantment get up to a certain point and you just receive a message saying you have retched the highest practical limit of sneak enchantment any more and you might as well be a ghost.

 

I never liked the slider system, you grind to master level find a unique sword and presto you can master enchant a new sword whit twice the power of the original.

 

Am I making any sense at all?

[FireFlickerFlak]

You are making sense to me and I think a lot of people would agree with you regarding the incentive to grind in the vanilla crafting system (at least I have seen a few attempted fixes for that issue, so those mod authors at least would agree).

 

 

Not sure if you can reference learned enchantments with papyrus, you're idea might be possible if there was a way to make the player forget learned enchantments immediately after learning them. You'd also have the challenge of figuring out a way to control the quality of specific enchantments rather than using broad modifiers to all enchantments... might be easiest if you had tiered version of each enchantment and somehow replaced which version the player knows?

 

 

Last time I tried doing scripts for enchanting I had a lot of trouble finding useful events, I think best I found was seeing if the player was interacting with furniture that is an enchanting table... probably changed since then though since that was a few years back.

 

 

Personally, I was trying to make a system that automatically made all armor enchantments at their max level but with chance of failure and chance of added negative effects based on your enchant level, but I couldn't figure it out. :(

[DMan1629]

Opening statement: I'm an amateur modder, but I'm writing this comment solely because I have researched this topic for my own mod which I'm working on. The feature in my mod gives bonus perks based on the amount of learned enchantments - by a global counter that increases every time the player disenchants.

 

Now for the comment:

Sorry, it can't be done...

Explanation:

 

 

There are actually 2 reasons why this can't work:

1) When you disenchant an item, any other item with the same enchantment is blocked from being disenchanted - you can see they are greyed out in the Arcane enchanter in the disenchant section.

2) There is no actual event or anything like that that's "OnDisenchant". A workaround does exist (I'm using it :D ) but it's not 100% accurate (freaking console!!!). This is a minor problem, but still.

 

 

TL;DR: core mechanics in the game that won't allow it.

 

My idea for something similar:

 

 

You could make and maintain a FormList/quest that contains how many items of a specific enchantment the player has created and increase that enchantment's power by the progress: made 10 items with sneak - increases buy 5 points (or something like that).

This is much easier because the game actually does track how many items the player has enchanted.

 

Cons:

1) The game tracks how many items have been enchanted in total - not individual enchantments.

2) This will require un-linking the Enchanting tree's leveling from the enchanting power which I'm not really sure is possible.

3) Don't forget about perk points that increase enchanting power...

 

 

 

Anyhow, good luck!

If you need anything else I'll be glad to help as much as I can.

Edited April 14, 2018 by DMan1629

[FireFlickerFlak]

Curious about your work around, mind sharing high level summary? I'd love to be able to use a pseudo onDisenchant event :smile:

[DMan1629]

Keyword Property isEnchanting Auto                    // The keyword isEnchanting - already in the game

Bool Flag = false

Event OnSit(ObjectReference akFurniture)
	if akFurniture.HasKeyword(isEnchanting)
		Flag = true
	endIf
EndEvent

Event OnGetUp(ObjectReference akFurniture)
	if akFurniture.HasKeyword(isEnchanting)
		Flag = false
	endIf
EndEvent

Event OnItemRemoved(Form akBaseItem, int aiItemCount, ObjectReference akItemReference, ObjectReference akDestContainer)
	if Flag
		if !akItemReference && !(akBaseItem as SoulGem) && ((akBaseItem as Weapon) || (akBaseItem as Armor))
			if ((akBaseItem as Weapon).GetEnchantment() || (akBaseItem as Armor).GetEnchantment())
				***Your own code here
			endIf
		endIf
	endIf
EndEvent

This is the basic idea behind it.

As you can see, this might not always be accurate because of console use (if someone removes an item via console while using the Arcane Enchanter), but that's the best solution so far.

 

***Do notice this requires SKSE!

[Elias555]

Keyword Property isEnchanting Auto                    // The keyword isEnchanting - already in the game

Bool Flag = false

Event OnSit(ObjectReference akFurniture)
	if akFurniture.HasKeyword(isEnchanting)
		Flag = true
	endIf
EndEvent

Event OnGetUp(ObjectReference akFurniture)
	if akFurniture.HasKeyword(isEnchanting)
		Flag = false
	endIf
EndEvent

Event OnItemRemoved(Form akBaseItem, int aiItemCount, ObjectReference akItemReference, ObjectReference akDestContainer)
	if Flag
		if !akItemReference && !(akBaseItem as SoulGem) && ((akBaseItem as Weapon) || (akBaseItem as Armor))
			if ((akBaseItem as Weapon).GetEnchantment() || (akBaseItem as Armor).GetEnchantment())
				***Your own code here
			endIf
		endIf
	endIf
EndEvent

This is the basic idea behind it.

As you can see, this might not always be accurate because of console use (if someone removes an item via console while using the Arcane Enchanter), but that's the best solution so far.

 

***Do notice this requires SKSE!

 

Clever!

[FrankFamily]

You can modify the magnitude of applied enchantments via perks and these can have conditions to only affect enchantments with certain keywords.

 

So if the point is that you have to train specific enchantments (or at least those that share keywords, i.e broad categories like fire enchantments) by disenchanting items with it. Then assuming you could react to the player disenchanting something and knowing what enchantment you just disenchanted you could add a perk that boost that specific enchantment/keyword and further disenchanting of the same would replace the perk with a higher tier (or the same perk having multiple conditioned entries and then conditioned to a global that is what increases). To balance it you could have a global perk reducing enchanting intensity overall.

 

This way when you first learn an enchantment due to the global perk you cannot make a very good enchantment yet. You have to "level up" the tiered perk for that enchantment/keyword in order to make something decent. it should be relatively easy and imo it would be great, adding a lot more progression to enchanting and probably making it less OP.

Edited April 15, 2018 by FrankFamily

[FireFlickerFlak]

Ah, nice solutions FrankFamily and DMan1629, thanks for sharing!