Need some Help, cannot figure out why game crashes on load.

[TheItalianDon]

So recently my Skyrim SE has begun crashing whenever i load a save. I have tried to be careful about what mods i DL and making sure i get patches where it says i need them. The game ran fine, until my most recent stent of Mod DLs such as JK's Cities mod, Better City Entrances, Some town mods, Hunterborn, Updated SOS, Ruined Oblivion Gates, Dolmen Ruins, Forgotten Ruins, Skyshards and a few others all with appropriate patches.

 

The mods i have that "conflict" are very minor conflicts. I use both LOOT and Wyre Bash, which both say that there shouldn't be any issues at all. If i start a new character, the game runs COMPLETELY fine, NO crashes, but then after a while, i cannot load a previous save anymore without the game crashing immediately. it doesn't matter where i am, or how i save.

 

The load screen comes on for a moment, then crashes. I have tried everything, manually sorting my Load Order (To the best of my knowledge), updated LOOT, Updating FNIS, reinstalling ELFX, turning the mods off one by one, starting new characters, turning on TMM 1 and traveling to as many places as possible, Checking through Wyre Bash and LOOT extensively. I have tried many combinations of which mods are on at the same time. Going as far as turning some off and leaving some on, and turning them all off. I keep getting the same result, the game works fine with a new character, the second i load: BAM, crash.

 

The only odd thing i can think of, is that Wyre Bash has all my save files marked in Yellow, meaning that the save file doesn't think the mod LO is in the order it expects it to be, this happens even without changes to the LO at all. I have been at this for 2 and a half days and i cannot find whatever it is causing the issue.

 

Here is my Load Order, i hope someone can help (There is no Bash Patch, as i was afraid it might be a patch or " Mergeable Mod " causing the issue):

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
254 FE 0 ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl
254 FE 1 ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab.esl
254 FE 2 ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 RaceCompatibility.esm
7 7 BSAssets.esm
8 8 BSHeartland.esm
9 9 arnima.esm
10 a RSkyrimChildren.esm
11 b BS_DLC_patch.esp
12 c ApachiiHairMales.esm
13 d ApachiiHairFemales.esm
14 e ApachiiHair.esm
15 f Campfire.esm
16 10 Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
17 11 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
18 12 Cutting Room Floor.esp
19 13 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
20 14 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
21 15 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
22 16 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
23 17 InnCredible.esp
24 18 Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
25 19 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
26 1a dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
27 1b dD-No Screen Blood.esp
28 1c Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
29 1d Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
30 1e Audio Overhaul Skyrim - RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp
31 1f Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Immersive Sounds Patch.esp
32 20 RSChildren.esp
33 21 RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp
34 22 CRF_RSChildrenPatch.esp
35 23 adoptAventusAretinoSE.esp
36 24 adoptAventusSE_RSChildrenUSSEP.esp
37 25 Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
38 26 Unique Uniques.esp
39 27 Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Unique Uniques Patch.esp
40 28 GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
41 29 Khajiit_Eyes_Extended.esp
42 2a SkyUI_SE.esp
43 2b Redguard Noble Armor.esp
44 2c Kynreeve Armor.esp
45 2d W3KnightArmors.esp
46 2e DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp
47 2f SGEyebrows.esp
48 30 NS_HuntingGroundsOutfit.esp
49 31 AsharaPrinceOfTheWoods.esp
50 32 DragonCarvedArmorSet.esp
51 33 El_WayfarersCoatSSE.esp
52 34 ClericArmoursCredo.esp
53 35 Wolf Knight Armor.esp
54 36 azelfollower.esp
55 37 Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
56 38 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp
57 39 JKs Skyrim.esp
58 3a MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp
59 3b Distinct Interiors.esp
60 3c Distinct Interiors - Guilds.esp
61 3d 3DNPC.esp
62 3e Immersive Jewelry.esp
63 3f Joy of Perspective.esp
64 40 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
65 41 Better Shrouded Armour - SSE.esp
66 42 Distinct Interiors - Shops.esp
67 43 SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp
68 44 Vivid WeathersSE.esp
69 45 Vivid Weathers SE - Bruma Patch.esp
70 46 Vivid Weathers SE - Classic.esp
71 47 Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Vivid Weathers Patch.esp
72 48 Vivid Weathers SE - AOS Patch.esp
73 49 Vivid Weathers SE - SOS Patch.esp
74 4a SoS_VividWeathers_Patch.esp
75 4b Forgotten DungeonsSSE.esp
76 4c BlackthornManor.esp
77 4d Phenderix Magic World.esp
78 4e InnCredible_3DNPC_Patch.esp
79 4f Man Those Borders!.esp
80 50 BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp
81 51 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
82 52 YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
83 53 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
84 54 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
85 55 BattleAftermath.esp
86 56 TW3Plate.esp
87 57 Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
88 58 KhajiitWillFollow.esp
89 59 DragonsKeep.esp
90 5a ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp
91 5b Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Zim's Immersive Artifacts Patch.esp
92 5c Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Thunderchild Patch.esp
93 5d Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Ordinator Patch.esp
94 5e Laundry.esp
95 5f TheScarlett.esp
96 60 Oblivion Gates Remade.esp
97 61 Cloaks.esp
98 62 Distinct Interiors - Miscellaneous.esp
99 63 JKs Skyrim_Arthmoor DS DB IV_Patch.esp
100 64 Dawnstar.esp
101 65 fallentreebridges.esp
102 66 OutlawsRefuges.esp
103 67 Immersive Patrols II.esp
104 68 Valdmire.esp
105 69 Dolmen Ruins.esp
106 6a Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
107 6b Hunterborn.esp
108 6c Skyshards.esp
109 6d Immersive Followers.esp
110 6e Ivarstead.esp
111 6f JKs Skyrim_Better Docks_Patch.esp
112 70 Billyro's Weapons.esp
113 71 HarvestOverhaul_Redone_Creatures.esp
114 72 Ars Metallica.esp
115 73 Volkihar Knight.esp
116 74 Volkihar Knight - Sacrosanct Patch.esp
117 75 Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp
118 76 DCR_KingCrusaderMegaPack_SSE.esp
119 77 Black Mage Armor SE.esp
120 78 Afro_TW2_armorpack.esp
121 79 Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Sacrosanct Patch.esp
122 7a RimronAdaelFollower.esp
123 7b AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
124 7c KS Hairdo's.esp
125 7d AFT - 3DNPC Patch.esp
126 7e odiumsword.esp
127 7f Eimar's Edge.esp
128 80 Billyro Swords.esp
129 81 Dr_Bandolier.esp
130 82 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
131 83 Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
132 84 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp
133 85 Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
134 86 wyldtats.esp
135 87 ElysiumEstate.esp
136 88 VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp
137 89 Golz Nahlaas.esp
138 8a Better City Entrances - All in one - SSE.esp
139 8b Rayeks_End_SSE_1.0.esp
140 8c DragonsKeepSSE-RSSEChildrenPatch.esp
141 8d Darkend.esp
142 8e Dragon Bridge.esp
143 8f The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
144 90 JKs Skyrim_Better City Entrances_Patch.esp
145 91 HoldBorderBanners.esp
146 92 Equippable Tomes.esp
147 93 PaladinArtifactsAndArmor.esp
148 94 hubertfollower.esp
149 95 ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
150 96 Nordic Wanderer.esp
151 97 IceBladeOfTheMonarch.esp
152 98 The Legends-Breton Knight.esp
153 99 Drow Armor Set.esp
154 9a giftsofakatosh.esp
155 9b Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
156 9c Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
157 9d DragonLordSwords.esp
158 9e VioLens SE.esp
159 9f Heart Breaker SE.esp
160 a0 Heart Breaker SE - Book Menu.esp
161 a1 FNIS.esp
162 a2 Ursine Armour - Non HDT.esp
163 a3 fastermining6-3.esp
164 a4 lighter pickaxes & woodcutter axes.esp
165 a5 honedmetal.esp
166 a6 XPMSSE.esp
167 a7 JoP - Immersive Armors Patch.esp
168 a8 NB-Scars.esp
169 a9 Angelic_Demonic.esp
170 aa NosPiercedEarsAll.esp
171 ab Facial Piercings.esp
172 ac ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
173 ad WitchhunterPack.esp
174 ae Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
175 af Potions.esp
176 b0 HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp
177 b1 HOR_OrdinatorPatch.esp
178 b2 BecomeABard.esp
179 b3 CommonClothes.esp
180 b4 dovahkiinrelax.esp
181 b5 Thief Friendly Skeletons.esp
182 b6 Berserk Black Swordsman Armor - No Arm.esp
183 b7 Berserk Black Swordsman Armor.esp
184 b8 CharacterMakingExtender.esp
185 b9 RaceCompatibility USSEP Patch.esp
186 ba The Ultimate Ghost Appearance Enhancement.esp
187 bb Backshields.esp
188 bc Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
189 bd SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
190 be dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
191 bf TKDodge.esp
192 c0 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
193 c1 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
194 c2 CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
195 c3 Mortal Enemies.esp
196 c4 ELFX - NoPlayerHomes.esp
197 c5 MCoW_Cutting Room Floor.esp
198 c6 NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
199 c7 imp_helm_legend.esp
200 c8 IMAGINATOR SSE - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp
201 c9 Zikoru Swords.esp
202 ca Nightingale Prime remaster.esp
203 cb RGMsAlchemistsCompendium.esp
204 cc BVFE.esp
205 cd Oblivion Gates Remade - 1st Person Messages.esp
206 ce YOT - Campfire.esp
207 cf YOT - Hunterborn.esp
208 d0 1nivWICCloaks.esp
209 d1 WetandCold.esp
210 d2 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
211 d3 FaceMasksOfSkyrim.esp
212 d4 Sleeved Guards.esp
213 d5 Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
214 d6 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
215 d7 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
216 d8 ELFXEnhancer.esp
217 d9 MCoW_ELFX_Enhancer.esp
218 da SoS_ELFX+Enhancer_Patch.esp
219 db SoS_ImmersiveCitizens_Patch.esp
220 dc more idle markers.esp
221 dd Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
222 de Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
223 df Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
224 e0 RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
225 e1 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
226 e2 Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
227 e3 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
228 e4 JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp

 

I am willing to bet that the issue is something insanely stupid on my part... P.S. any ESPless mods i have are texture replaces that functioned before the crashing started.

[leonardo2]

Perhaps you forgot to rebuild the bashed patch and with a loadorder like yours you definitely need the bashed patch.

[TheItalianDon]

The game ran fine without a Bashed Patch before. When the crashing started i was afraid to create one because i wasn't sure what was causing the crashes. I didn't want a bashed patch to integrate a faulty mod/patch into one big lump pile and make it harder to find/remove.

 

P.S. I will make a Bashed patch if no other solution comes up.

Edited April 15, 2018 by TheItalianDon

[CONTRABARDUS]

Since it started after you installed a group of new mods, it shouldn't be that hard to narrow down what mod is the problem. Assuming it wasn't a mod that was dormant until this cropped up. More than likely, it is caused by something you recently installed.

 

First, back up your saves. Just in case removing mods breaks them further. They might not be viable anymore already, but you may be able to salvage your game.

 

Disable bashed patch, and then disable the new mods one at a time and keep trying to load your saves by unchecking them in whatever mod manager you're using. Be sure to uncheck any related patches as well. Should be easy as pretty much any Mod Manager or Loot will tell you which patches are missing a master.

 

Just click OK on the warning when you try to load the save and ignore it.

 

You should also try just disabling your Bashed Patch and loading the saves just without that.

 

Your BP isn't a master for anything, so the game should load and run if you don't have it activated.

 

I had an issue where Bashed Patch would cause a CTD on the loading screen if I had it activated.

 

It could be that one of the mods you've installed is an Oldrim mod that wasn't saved properly, and your bashed patch doesn't like it.

 

It was Enhanced Vanilla Trees in my case. Something that loaded immediately, but it might not happen until a mod becomes active once you "discover" what was modded in the game.

 

I just had to uncheck it from my Merged list when I rebuilt the patch and everything runs fine.

 

If everything runs and loads without Bashed Patch. Keep rebuilding patches, start by completely unchecking all of them, build the patch, and see if Skyrim loads. Then build the patch while activating 5 or so at a time. This is faster than doing individual mods. Once you find a group that crashes the game when you load a save, deactivate those five mods, activate them one at a time until it stops working, and once you isolate the problem mod, either uninstall it, or just leave it unchecked when you build the patch. Continue checking groups of mods to make sure there isn't more than one problem mod until you've checked them all and either uninstall or leave them unchecked when you build the patch.

 

As a last resort, try disabling all your mods and trying to load your saves. If it works, enable them a few at a time until it stops working, then try to pinpoint which among the group is causing the problem as outlined above.

 

If you're hell bent on trying to salvage your game and that doesn't work, it's time to activate all your mods, and disable them individually and try to launch the game with one mod disabled at a time. Don't forget to disable any related patches as you do this. This is tedious and time consuming, but when all else fails it's the only option you have left.

 

Once you pinpoint the problem mod you can just uninstall it, or you can try uninstalling it, downloading it again, and reinstalling it as it may have been a corrupted download.

 

If that doesn't work it's probably time for a fresh install and modding it from scratch. You should also probably delete those saves at that point. This is why you should always back up your Skyrim folder without any mods installed. I usually install the ENB base, ReShade base, SKSE, SkyUI, and the Unofficial Patch, then back up my Skyrim folder before I do anything else just in case I overmod and break the game. I always install those and it saves me a few steps and some time if I have to go back to a fresh install.

 

You can also try using FallrimTools Script Cleaner, which I highly recommend using any time you uninstall anything.

Edited April 15, 2018 by CONTRABARDUS

[TheItalianDon]

Thank you for the replies to this! I couldn't track down the problem, no matter what i did. So i uninstalled all my mods completely and the game ran. So i am doing the 5 at a time method to find the issue. Thank you for all the help! In fact the replies i have gotten gave me an idea how to more stably handle mods and to be even more cautious about the actual process. Thank you for the help!

Edited April 24, 2018 by TheItalianDon