Evil characters need more love...

[Arnyboy]

What does infamy really do for a character in this game? I would use it as a measurement of how evil your character is, if people feared you and ran away from you when you approach them, instead of everyone trying to kill you because you've broken the law. I also think its pointless to attack a city and kill the inhabitants just see a city of dead people with respawning guards.

It would be cool if you did kill the selected count/countess so you could sit yourself on their throne and have the populace turned into your personnal slaves and army to attack other cities.

[Sarya]

Fame and infamy suck for the purpose of determining how good or evil your character is. You get infamy for Thieves Guild - which doesn't include any malicious deeds and even has "save someone's life" things - and you get fame for Arena, really noble, killing people for others' fun, huh?

[firefable]

"Or even set up her enemies, who don't even realize they are her enemies before striking. Making them vulnerable, catching them off guard. Also with that whole conquer The Empire concept said, I'm not saying kill all NPC's just because you can. No you want to take out the guards, and rulers of certain cities, then pretty much enslave the inhabitants of said city by creating your own twisted order."

 

 

Becoming a member of the high council. Have debates on how to rule the empire, corrupt and persuade people to be on your side. And then break away, wage civil war, 1 guard against another. The rulers of each town, going against each other, fighting for the throne and the title of emperor. Skirmishing, stealing, fighting for land.

 

Indeed would be a great mod.... 1,000,000 kudos to whoever makes it.

[helzi]

I love the idea of an evil character loving nobody but you - so you at special. My character is like that. She kills everyone except her friends. :P. :)

[myrmaad]

I love the idea of an evil character loving nobody but you - so you at special. My character is like that. She kills everyone except her friends. :P. :)

 

I don't know if this is a good place for this story or not, but in our recent travels we happened onto a pretty unique staff -- "of Banishment" (see here) which at first seemed quite pointless. keeping in mind that my character has scrupulously avoided murder all the way through the game and has now completed all the thieves guild quests, all the mage guild quests and the main quest, as well as the knights of the nine quests, and maybe a third of the fighters guild quests, I guess that's about 80 percent of the game, right? so she still has not taken that step to murder. But she's pissed off at that dude who wanted the Chorrol heirloom, the fence that's always in the Oak and Crozier in Chorrol. in her goody bag, she's also been carrying around the Nocturnal's Gray Cowl which what's his name gave her.

 

So she puts on the gray cowl and shoots him with the staff of banishment -- and let me tell you all hell breaks loose! There were three Mythic Dawners (two came out of nowhere!) and they started shouting "For Lord Dagon" but they didn't attack my character at all but they were generally rioting, a guard immediately showed up of course and started slashing at me, but the Mythic Dawners went after him, the Propietess of the O & C got into the act and I just ran around generally trying to stay out of reach of the guard. I went full chamelion and removed the cowl, and the riot poured out into the streets. One of the mythic dawn members had a full set of Daedric armor and I have no idea who it was or where the armor came from, and he disappeared but after it was all said and done, a guard was dead, two mythic dawners were dead, the thief who lives "in sin", Glistel, in Chorrol was dead, and the Propietor of the Oak and Crozier was dead. I went back into the O&C and Fathis Ules was skulking around behind the bar looking scared and miserable. I felt bad so I resurrected Talasma. Everybody had keys to someone else's house on their corpses as well, except Talasma. Of course I helped myself to her O&C key before I resurrected her.

 

Wow. It was quite a show!

[firefable]

I agree, evil characters need more love! I mean, i always try to be evil, but it always goes in a loop.

I finish the main quest - which makes me good.

I join the new mythic dawn and become the master - which makes me evil.

I buy castles and reinforce them, any invasion coming from the Northlands or the southlands will hit my castles first - which makes me good.

I am a vampire and like to skin animals and make stuff out of them - which makes me evil.

 

A really annoying loop, I think it should be like in "KOTOR", when you even say something bad, you move to the dark side. When you help people and say good things, you progress in the light.

 

KOTOR - Knights Of The Old Republic

[Aeryn333]

Neutrality, the grey area..I feel in the many characters, I have played as, and sides I have played..I realised that in the grey area, is more adventure and less bordom..good and evil are only separated by intent anyways..To good boredom, to evil equally so for me..

But the line between the two has infinite possibilities, and mods to explore them..We all need love admit it or not good evil or inbetween..In Morrowind it was possible someone is yet to make a Romance mod, that does not cares not which gender offers that love..Only Emma made such mods how I wish she would for Oblivion then good , evil, neutral all would get if , if they wanted a true partner, to share the world with.

 

Cheers mates

[del1diablo]

The fact is, the guilds including the thiefs guild are mainly neutral.

Being a vampyre or in the dark brotherhood makes you evil.

The main quest for good guys.

However the problem is that you cannot make a impact on the game:

*Wage civil wars

*Create a orginasation for undermining the empire

*Bankrupt people

*Etc............

 

This is what Oblivion lacks, a bigger view with more to do. I want to be able to build up a city, someting similar to what you did in Bloodmoon. I want to be able to exterminate citys and villages. The problem is the amout of power you lack, your following the 1-man army, unless you got the Scamp Staff(then you got 4 minions :P).

I want more driving quest, harder decisions that will have a major impact on the world.

[Leenysaurus]

I agree on reading that fame gained from the Arena is a little backwards as I've read a few posts up as stated by Sarya, but I believe that the lore of Oblivion and the time period negates the concept of murder involved. You join the Arena knowing you have to kill to win, and that's seen as okay because it's a choice the contestants make.

 

Ya know, it would be cool to attach more quests to the deaths in the Arena, perhaps something involving someone seeking vengeance over one of their fallen loved ones in the Arena that your PC kills?

 

Anyway, evil characters are more limited in Oblivion, you have the Dark Brotherhood by stock. I know there are some evil quest mods - such as Servant of the Dawn and City of the Dead (perfect for the Necromancers). It's not totally miserable for an evil character. I personally prefer neutral, and I like doing the Dark Brotherhood's quests a lot, so I'll gladly do them along with all the good things. I'm sure more things for evil will come out over time and evil quest mods will pop up here and there in the constant flow of mods. :thumbsup:

[Sarya]

Being a vampyre .... makes you evil.

No, it doesn't. There's no evil when there's no conscious choice. And vampirism is not always a choice. And survival may be egoistic, but evil has nothing to do with it.