BetterSettlers.esp causing frequent fps drops when enabled, turns out there are conflicts with ScrapEverything. Can anyone help me fix it?

[xxom3nxx]

Whenever I have the BetterSettlers.esp enabled in my plugin list, the number of fps drops I get in my game increase by 4-6x more depending on where I'm going or running to; I tested this simply by running a similar route from sanctuary to corvega assembly plant and no matter the load order is, I will have only 0-1 fps drops when BetterSettlers is disabled and 5-9 drops when it is enabled.

 

After downloading and using FO4Edit, I found out that the mod ScrapEverything is actually having some conflicts with the BetterSettlers.esp; after seeing that I decided to create a patch but even after creating a patch that overwrites the conflicts I still suffer from frequent fps drops when the BetterSettlers.esp is enabled. Here are links to screenshots of the conflict https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/images/114028 and https://imgur.com/qGuupHb and a screenshot of the patch (named Conflict Winner) https://imgur.com/JrhOzTZ

 

I have no idea on how to fix this problem and I have even tried swapping my load order around numerous times to no avail.

Any help is appreciated.

 

Here is my current load order by the way (i have the bettersettlers.esp and the patch disabled because the patch could not fix the fps drops):

GameMode=Fallout4

Fallout4.esm=1

DLCRobot.esm=1

DLCworkshop01.esm=1

DLCCoast.esm=1

DLCworkshop02.esm=1

DLCworkshop03.esm=1

DLCNukaWorld.esm=1

Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1

ArmorKeywords.esm=1

Homemaker.esm=1

HUDFramework.esm=1

DEF_WIDGETS_CORE.esm=1

SimSettlements.esm=1

CROSS_CryoLance.esp=1

TheKite_Railroad_Handmaiden.esp=1

CROSS_InstituteExpeditionarySuit.esp=1

CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp=1

CROSS_BrotherhoodRecon.esp=1

3dscopes-framework.esp=1

3dscopes-replacer.esp=1

3dscopes-replacer-addtospawn.esp=1

LooksMenu.esp=1

Insignificant Object Remover.esp=1

dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp=1

Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp=1

LongerPowerLines3x.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-ZY-DLCAutomatron.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-ZY-DLCNukaWorld.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-ZY-DLCFarHarbor.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-JunkBetter.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-MiscWeightless.esp=1

VIS UFO4P Patch.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-AidReducedWeight.esp=1

chem redux.esp=1

BetterJunkFences.esp=1

PlayerComments.esp=1

EveryonesBestFriend.esp=1

Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp=1

Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp=1

Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp=1

Quieter Settlements - Contraptions.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-Mods.esp=1

Armorsmith Extended.esp=1

Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp=1

RightHandedHuntingRifle.esp=1

Tactical Flashlights.esp=1

Tactical Flashlights - Settings.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-Ammo.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-Perks.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-ZZ-DLCWeaponsOverride.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-Weapons.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-ZY-DLCContraptions.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-ZY-DLCVaultTec.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-ZZ-DLCCosmeticsByClassOverride.esp=1

VIS-PatchChemReduxWeightless.esp=1

SimSettlements_XPAC_IndustrialRevolution.esp=1

Brotherhood of Steel Kit.esp=1

AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1

PD_VisualReload.esp=1

LongRangeBulletHoles.esp=1

Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp=1

Lots More Facial Hair.esp=1

More Power Armour Mods.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-ZZ-DLCArmorBySlotOverride.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-ArmorBySlot.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-CosmeticsByClass.esp=1

EasyHacking.esp=1

My_Minutemen.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-ExplosivesSortTop.esp=1

Colt6520.esp=1

WAYN_CompanionTracking.esp=1

WAYN_CompanionTracking_Automatron.esp=1

No More Fake Puddles - Nuka World 1-0.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - Automatron.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - Base Replicas.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - Legendary Extras.esp=1

Crafting Mastery.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - Nuka world.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - Patch Immersive Base.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - Patch Immersive NW.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - AM Replicas.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - FH Replicas.esp=1

SurvivalOptions.esp=1

Great Actors - Companions Alt.esp=1

Passthrough.esp=1

RichMerchantsLessCaps.esp=1

Mercenary.esp=1

Great Actors - NPCs Alt.esp=1

CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp=1

G36Complex.esp=1

MREs.esp=1

ToggleFanning.esp=1

WattzLaserGun.esp=1

M1Garand.esp=1

LAER.esp=1

FO4 NPCs Travel.esp=1

llamaCompanionHeather.esp=1

CrudeBlowback.esp=1

VIS - Wattz Laser Gun.esp=1

M1Garand - AWKCR-VIS.esp=1

LAER Automatron Weapons.esp=1

SVT40.esp=1

SalvageBeacons.esp=1

K9TacticalHarness.esp=1

Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp=1

G36 add-ons.esp=1

VIS - G36Complex.esp=1

LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp=1

LeverActionReloadOverhaul.esp=1

True Legendary Enemies.esp=1

D.E.C.A.Y.esp=1

BP VIS AE patch - CROSS_IES.esp=1

Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp=1

RU556.esp=1

RU556AWKCR.esp=1

SVT40-AWKCR-VIS.esp=1

Krebs.esp=1

GreaseGunSMG.esp=1

CrudeBlowback - AWKCR.esp=1

EnclaveX02.esp=1

ImmersiveScrapping.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-NotJunk.esp=1

WestTekTacticalOptics.esp=1

Guards.esp=1

PipeShotgun.esp=1

PipeShotgun-AWKCR.esp=1

Journey.esp=1

More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp=1

Skip DIMA memories.esp=1

No Bloody Mess.esp=1

DEF_WIDGETS_SURVIVAL1.esp=1

SurvivalOptions_SurvivalStatsWidget.esp=1

EBF_DEFW_Patch.esp=1

The Eyes Of Beauty.esp=1

Better Cooking Stations.esp=1

Better Cooking Stations - Far Harbor + Nuka World patch.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - Far Harbor.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - Patch Immersive FH.esp=1

Eli_Crafting Shiz 9000.esp=1

DD_Khassar_De_Templari_Increased_build.esp=1

Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp=1

Crafting Mastery - NW Replicas.esp=1

Tactical Flashlights Armorsmith Patch.esp=1

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp=1

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp=1

llamaCompanionHeather-VIS-AE Patch.esp=1

FALLOUT4WT.esp=1

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - AWKCR.esp=1

VIS - Wearable Backpack and Pouches Power Armor.esp=1

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - AWKCR Power Armor.esp=1

VIS - CROSS Brotherhood.esp=1

VIS - CROSS CourserStrigidae.esp=1

VIS - Eli's Armour Compendium.esp=1

VIS - FO4 War Tags.esp=1

VIS - K9 Tactical Harness.esp=1

VIS - Railroad Handmaiden.esp=1

VIS - Wearable Backpack Weave.esp=1

BetterCompanions.esp=1

VIS - Better Companions.esp=1

VIS - Salvage Beacons.esp=1

VIS - Tactical Flashlight.esp=1

VIS - Better Cooking.esp=1

VIS - Sim Settlements.esp=1

VIS - RU566.esp=1

VIS - Widow Shotgun.esp=1

SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp=1

Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp=1

Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp=1

Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp=1

DarkerNights.esp=1

DarkerNightsDetection.esp=1

IcebreakerCDO-Settlements.esp=1

GearGrinder.esp=1

MoreStuffFromEyebot.esp=1

WorthwhileEyebots.esp=1

PD_VReload_GreaseGun.esp=1

PD_VReload_Colt6520.esp=1

PD_VReload_CrudeBlowback.esp=1

UncappedSettlementSurplus.esp=1

BetterSettlers.esp=0

BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp=0

BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp=0

PD_VReload_Krebs.esp=1

PD_VReload_M1Garand.esp=1

PD_VReload_PipeShotgun.esp=1

GZ__ReverbAmbienceOverhaul__MWTCFDiamondCity.esp=1

Mosin.esp=1

PD_VReload_Mosin.esp=1

Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp=1

ScrapUpdate - Ultimate.esp=1

Conflict Winner.esp=0

[Shadyfan4500]

I haven't played Fallout 4 in years, but it turns out I have this mod installed too. I don't recall having this problem, but I'm not sure I have ScrapEverything. If the frame drops only occur when both mods are enabled, then you should check FO4Edit closer again, I think. Check each mod themselves, rather than create a merged patch. There could be more conflicts that the patch didn't show.. I've seen that before. Otherwise, you could search the Fallout4.esm file in FO4Edit and find conflicts in similar areas and see if that helps. If you want to go super in-depth, you could fix every single conflict, but that would take ages. Thom239 made several posts on the mod, one of which talks about Load Order. You might want to take a look at yours, once again, and see if yours matches what they recommend, but it probably does.

 

If none of that alleviates the problem, I would probably begin reinstalling mods. First would be a regular reinstall, and then next up I would swap which mod wins over the other, if you're using NMM or Vortex or any other mod loader.

[phpones]

I have both those mods and have no problem, steady 60 fps.

If you suspect it's the conflict, have you tried to disable Scrap Everything and keep Better Settlers enabled? If so, do you have the same FPS drops?

[xxom3nxx]

I haven't played Fallout 4 in years, but it turns out I have this mod installed too. I don't recall having this problem, but I'm not sure I have ScrapEverything. If the frame drops only occur when both mods are enabled, then you should check FO4Edit closer again, I think. Check each mod themselves, rather than create a merged patch. There could be more conflicts that the patch didn't show.. I've seen that before. Otherwise, you could search the Fallout4.esm file in FO4Edit and find conflicts in similar areas and see if that helps. If you want to go super in-depth, you could fix every single conflict, but that would take ages. Thom239 made several posts on the mod, one of which talks about Load Order. You might want to take a look at yours, once again, and see if yours matches what they recommend, but it probably does.

 

If none of that alleviates the problem, I would probably begin reinstalling mods. First would be a regular reinstall, and then next up I would swap which mod wins over the other, if you're using NMM or Vortex or any other mod loader.

After looking into the FO4Edit more I couldn't find any other conflicts that bettersettlers had so my next step may be to begin uninstalling and installing my mods again but I will have to think on that

I have both those mods and have no problem, steady 60 fps.

If you suspect it's the conflict, have you tried to disable Scrap Everything and keep Better Settlers enabled? If so, do you have the same FPS drops?

Yes, I recently tried it again and even with scrap everything disabled (not uninstalled)BetterSettlers.esp still causes fps drops.

It's honestly very weird whats happening to my game.

[Frogzilla82]

To be blunt, stop using Scrap everything, it breaks more more than it helps. There are other scrap mods far superior that do not need settings that break your game.

[phpones]

 

I haven't played Fallout 4 in years, but it turns out I have this mod installed too. I don't recall having this problem, but I'm not sure I have ScrapEverything. If the frame drops only occur when both mods are enabled, then you should check FO4Edit closer again, I think. Check each mod themselves, rather than create a merged patch. There could be more conflicts that the patch didn't show.. I've seen that before. Otherwise, you could search the Fallout4.esm file in FO4Edit and find conflicts in similar areas and see if that helps. If you want to go super in-depth, you could fix every single conflict, but that would take ages. Thom239 made several posts on the mod, one of which talks about Load Order. You might want to take a look at yours, once again, and see if yours matches what they recommend, but it probably does.

 

If none of that alleviates the problem, I would probably begin reinstalling mods. First would be a regular reinstall, and then next up I would swap which mod wins over the other, if you're using NMM or Vortex or any other mod loader.

After looking into the FO4Edit more I couldn't find any other conflicts that bettersettlers had so my next step may be to begin uninstalling and installing my mods again but I will have to think on that

I have both those mods and have no problem, steady 60 fps.

If you suspect it's the conflict, have you tried to disable Scrap Everything and keep Better Settlers enabled? If so, do you have the same FPS drops?

Yes, I recently tried it again and even with scrap everything disabled (not uninstalled)BetterSettlers.esp still causes fps drops.

It's honestly very weird whats happening to my game.

 

 

Then the problem isn't the conflict Scrap Everything <-> Better Settlers. You might be having another interaction between Better Settlers and maybe something graphic heavy or settlement related.

- Do your drops happen only in a settlement or everywhere?

- Do you have any other mod that alter NPCs, specially texture mods?

 

As I said, In my case I don't have any difference, I'm always at 60fps... but it might be that Better Settlers is just too heavy for your current setup (hardware + enabled mods)?

Next test I would do is disable EVERYTHING except Better Settlers and its requirements (Eli's armor, ponytails, etc) and do another run at it. Well, not everything... Vals, DEF_UI, Unnoficial FO4 Patch... this kind of stuff can stay. But definitely launch without F4SE to disable it completely.

[xxom3nxx]

 

 

I haven't played Fallout 4 in years, but it turns out I have this mod installed too. I don't recall having this problem, but I'm not sure I have ScrapEverything. If the frame drops only occur when both mods are enabled, then you should check FO4Edit closer again, I think. Check each mod themselves, rather than create a merged patch. There could be more conflicts that the patch didn't show.. I've seen that before. Otherwise, you could search the Fallout4.esm file in FO4Edit and find conflicts in similar areas and see if that helps. If you want to go super in-depth, you could fix every single conflict, but that would take ages. Thom239 made several posts on the mod, one of which talks about Load Order. You might want to take a look at yours, once again, and see if yours matches what they recommend, but it probably does.

 

If none of that alleviates the problem, I would probably begin reinstalling mods. First would be a regular reinstall, and then next up I would swap which mod wins over the other, if you're using NMM or Vortex or any other mod loader.

After looking into the FO4Edit more I couldn't find any other conflicts that bettersettlers had so my next step may be to begin uninstalling and installing my mods again but I will have to think on that

I have both those mods and have no problem, steady 60 fps.

If you suspect it's the conflict, have you tried to disable Scrap Everything and keep Better Settlers enabled? If so, do you have the same FPS drops?

Yes, I recently tried it again and even with scrap everything disabled (not uninstalled)BetterSettlers.esp still causes fps drops.

It's honestly very weird whats happening to my game.

 

 

Then the problem isn't the conflict Scrap Everything <-> Better Settlers. You might be having another interaction between Better Settlers and maybe something graphic heavy or settlement related.

- Do your drops happen only in a settlement or everywhere?

- Do you have any other mod that alter NPCs, specially texture mods?

 

As I said, In my case I don't have any difference, I'm always at 60fps... but it might be that Better Settlers is just too heavy for your current setup (hardware + enabled mods)?

Next test I would do is disable EVERYTHING except Better Settlers and its requirements (Eli's armor, ponytails, etc) and do another run at it. Well, not everything... Vals, DEF_UI, Unnoficial FO4 Patch... this kind of stuff can stay. But definitely launch without F4SE to disable it completely.

 

The drops happen everywhere, I do have certain NPC texture mods/appearance changes (GreatActors) but they aren't mods that can cause major conflicts imo

I don't think it an issue with Better Settlers being too heavy as I have GTX 1070ti and an i5 8500k and even when I downscale my resolution to 1080p (i normally play 1440p) I still get fps drops.

I just did the test you mentioned and I even went as far as testing the game again with the betterSettlers.esp disabled and I didn't get fps drops, but when bettersetters.esp is enabled the fps drops come back, even if it is the only mod enabled, and even if it is enabled with the other mods it requires. I even went as far as fully uninstalling it on mod manager then installing again from the website and nothing changed.

 

I think, for now, I will just keep BetterSettlers disabled in my playthrough (which sucks but its necessary) and if I decide to make a new one character, i will just be more selective in the mods I download and i will also try to see if any weird conflicts occur earlier on.

Thank you all for the help and if any of you or anyone wants to drop more information and advice feel free.