white run ctds

[phillipjohnmc]

um, I mean 'whiterun'. anyway...

 

thought I'd ask first before killing myself trying to narrow down the problem. i ctd outside of whiterun, along the road in front, around the brewery. up until now i haven't had a problem. i just triggered the dragon quest, and it's happened twice, once on the way to riverwood, and once on the the way back. i'm at level 23 and haven't had any problems at all so far, so i was getting kind of happy (have pared down mod list from 200 to 120 to help with issues and thought i had got them all).

 

my load order, if that helps:

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
BSAssets.esm
BSHeartland.esm
BS_DLC_patch.esp
Campfire.esm
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
Ducks and Swans.esp
Hotsprings of Skyrim.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
Leave Combat.esp
High Level Enemies - Raised Ability Caps.esp
LightngDuringStorm.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
Winterhold.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
OBIS SE.esp
Man Those Borders!.esp
WeightLessLegacyAll.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
skyBirds_SSE.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp
High Level Enemies.esp
Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
Holidays.esp
Point The Way.esp
Immersive Music.esp
Better Vampire NPCs.esp
Wheres Your Smelter.esp
BirdsAndFlocks_SSE.esp
Cloaks.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
Shor's Stone.esp
Cats-in-SkyrimSSE.esp
A Better Magelight - Enhanced.esp
Vivid WeathersSE.esp
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
Frostfall.esp
Ivarstead.esp
Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp
SkyrimIsWindy.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
Telengard.esp
Rorikstead.esp
Dragon Bridge.esp
notice board.esp
Missives.esp
No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp
OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Argis eyes.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
Erik clear skin.esp
Faendal face.esp
Footprints.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases_Frostfall Patch.esp
High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp
High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp
High Level Enemies - Increased Max Resists.esp
Horse Storage.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
ImprovedHearthfireLighting.esp
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
FPSBoost.esp
PickUpBooksWithDLCSEE.esp
PyP_LE+CRF.esp
Real Roads.esp
Realistic-Voice.esp
RND_BSHeartland.esp
Simply Stronger Dragons.esp
ShocksCookingSkillHF.esp
ogSplendorDragons.esp
Companions Radiant Quests Requirement.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
UNP Vanilla Outfits.esp
WetandCold.esp
Vivid Weathers SE - Bruma Patch.esp
Vivid Weathers SE - LightingDuringStorm Patch.esp
SMIM-Bruma-Patch.esp
WondersofWeather.esp
FNIS.esp
XPMSSE.esp
OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
Wildcat-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
Brighter toggleable Candlelight and Torches.esp
Whistle.esp
VividWaterFix.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
More idle markers.esp
Darkwater Crossing.esp
Provincial Courier Service.esp
FlowerGirls SE.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp
RWT Lod Fix.esp
RND-RWT Watercolor Patch.esp
RealisticSpeedMovementWalkingSE.esp
SSEMerged.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

and my texture/dialogue controls mods (which are in reverse order for some reason):

+SLF Hair - Rough Hair - Lite 1K
+RUSTIC WINDOWS - Special Edition - 2K
+Realistic Aspen Trees SE
+Nordic Snow (aka HQ Snow Texture)
+Detailed Rugs
+NobleSkyrim - SMIM Patch
+NobleSkyrim - FULL PACK v.5.3.0 2K - For Skyrim Special Edition
+LeanWolf's Better-Shaped Weapons - All in One Installer
+D13 Faster Get Up Stand Up SSE
+Better MessageBox Controls
+Better Males Erect - Update Addon
+Better Males Remesh for Skyrim SE
+Better Falmer Cave Ceiling Glow
+Better Dialogue Controls
+Battle Ready Candlelight Fixes
+Ash Pile Retexture Version 2 Fire Glow

 

 

i also use an enb with Re-engaged preset.

Edited June 11, 2018 by phillipjohnmc

[Robeloto]

Hi!

 

If this has not happened before and you have not added any new mods that can be the culprit it might be the save. If you have save backups, you could try with an older save. Otherwise, try with a new save and see if the same thing happens. Your save might be bugged and a savecleaner might help. I use FallrimTools - ReSaver. After use I did not get as much CTD. But I do get them sometimes on death, so there can probably many other reasons why CTD happens.

[phillipjohnmc]

thanks for the reply. I don't have an old save. i'm really bad about doing hard saves. I do quicksave all the time. maybe I shouldn't. I read different things about that, some say quicksaves are bad, others don't have a problem with it. when you say 'try with a new save', do you mean a new game? i'll check out the fallrim tool.

 

other things I've found is: the honningbrew meadery ctd happens to a lot of people apparently, after they trigger the quest that unlocks the dragons, so I think this is another case of it; I have 2 esps which were out of order (immersive armors compilation esp and immersive armors eckstrra esp - loot put them in the wrong order); someone mentioned that they narrowed it down to a bad nif around the meadery, which is added by skyrim flora overhaul, and is a plant nif; immersive citizens might be an issue, too, which I wouldn't know how to fix that, except uninstall it, which might cause problems if done mid-game

[Robeloto]

thanks for the reply. I don't have an old save. i'm really bad about doing hard saves. I do quicksave all the time. maybe I shouldn't. I read different things about that, some say quicksaves are bad, others don't have a problem with it. when you say 'try with a new save', do you mean a new game? i'll check out the fallrim tool.

 

other things I've found is: the honningbrew meadery ctd happens to a lot of people apparently, after they trigger the quest that unlocks the dragons, so I think this is another case of it; I have 2 esps which were out of order (immersive armors compilation esp and immersive armors eckstrra esp - loot put them in the wrong order); someone mentioned that they narrowed it down to a bad nif around the meadery, which is added by skyrim flora overhaul, and is a plant nif; immersive citizens might be an issue, too, which I wouldn't know how to fix that, except uninstall it, which might cause problems if done mid-game

 

Well, quicksave are not that bad. But IMO you should always have at least one normal save backup if something happens. Except for the quicksave, I have about 3 normal saves and some autosaves. I paid dearly though when I deleted many of my backup saves when the save broke and I had to go back many hours in the game, because the save broke. Yes, start a new game and try to reproduce the problem, just to know if this is indeed a save file problem.

 

Interesting, I did not know LOOT ever could be wrong. Never experienced CTD around the meadery and I also use the Skyrim flora overhaul, but I have not visited the honningbrew meadary that much though. You can properly uninstall mods with scripts, but then you must use the fallrimtool to clean the save. I have uninstalled many mods with scripts and my save is OK.

[phillipjohnmc]

my only hard save is when I created my character lol. I could start a new game and test, but i'm sure that it'll be fine at first, then the problem with resurface (unless I don't install any mods at all, but what fun is that?!) I'm on lvl 23 and I've already passed that area 100 times without any crashing. it just started, and curiously it was right after I began the quest that triggers the first dragon encounter. I wouldn't be surprised if it's immersive citizens that's causing the problem, since it changes AI pathways and the guards that take off to riverwood pass by the meadery. i'm still trying to figure it out. in my other playthroughs, it had happened also, and I didn't realise that it's sort of a 'thing'...I've read it happens to other players. it's a mod conflict. anyway, i'm gonna test it tonight to see if removing that nif will make a difference, and if switching those two esps around helps (loot is sometimes wrong, but rarely so; the mod author posted the correct order in the mod posts, don't know why loot's not sorting them right but the guy who runs loot can fix that if informed)

Edited June 12, 2018 by phillipjohnmc

[Robeloto]

my only hard save is when I created my character lol. I could start a new game and test, but i'm sure that it'll be fine at first, then the problem with resurface (unless I don't install any mods at all, but what fun is that?!) I'm on lvl 23 and I've already passed that area 100 times without any crashing. it just started, and curiously it was right after I began the quest that triggers the first dragon encounter. I wouldn't be surprised if it's immersive citizens that's causing the problem, since it changes AI pathways and the guards that take off to riverwood pass by the meadery. i'm still trying to figure it out. in my other playthroughs, it had happened also, and I didn't realise that it's sort of a 'thing'...I've read it happens to other players. it's a mod conflict. anyway, i'm gonna test it tonight to see if removing that nif will make a difference, and if switching those two esps around helps (loot is sometimes wrong, but rarely so; the mod author posted the correct order in the mod posts, don't know why loot's not sorting them right but the guy who runs loot can fix that if informed)

 

Alright. I use Immersive Citizens too and I experience CTD during death or quick load sometimes, but I think for me, it is the Open Cities mod. One thing I forgot to mention is that you can enable logging to see what happens before CTD. In your case it might be helpful. I think you can enable logs in MO2 also. I have never tried it though. Let me know how it works out.

[phillipjohnmc]

aahh, enable logging. I use mo2. any idea how to enable it? i'll look around to see if I can figure it out.

 

I love open cities, it's a must-have...except I feel like it causes some problems, for example around windhelm. sometimes the city doesn't load right, and I have to force close the game. I've had issues around solitude with loading also, and in whiterun, some of the interiors exit into the closed world space. I've heard that open cities works well so long as you don't have a lot of other mods installed. I have 120 this time around, and had 200 in the past when I was using it. I love being able to just open the city gates and walk in, plus you have enemies come inside also, but I felt like I was having to reload the game too much, so I returned to the vanilla set up.

[phillipjohnmc]

to enable logging, you change the skyrim.ini thru mo2. i did test around the meadery yesterday with the esps switched round and the nif removed, and no crashing, even after having ridden to falkreath and back. it usually happens after i've been travelling round for a while, then return. but i'm sceptical, need to test more

[Robeloto]

to enable logging, you change the skyrim.ini thru mo2. i did test around the meadery yesterday with the esps switched round and the nif removed, and no crashing, even after having ridden to falkreath and back. it usually happens after i've been travelling round for a while, then return. but i'm sceptical, need to test more

That is Skyrims papyrus logging.

 

With MO2, your logs should be in C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Local\ModOrganizer\NewName\logs

 

And I think it is activated through Settings -> Diagnostics.

 

edit:

 

Sorry but I do not think any logging will solve the CTD. I thought it was going to do it. But now I have tried it myself, both with papyrus and with MO2 logging. I got a CTD when entering Breezehome. Solution was to just not load that save anymore and load another earlier save. I sure learned to backup all my saves and never delete them.

 

I am going to try to get a dragon to spawn just outside the meadery and see if that can produce any CTD for me. What nif did you remove?

Edited June 13, 2018 by Robeloto

[phillipjohnmc]

the nif is vurt_greenyelplant.nif (from skyrim flora overhaul mod) and I removed the corresponding texture just to be sure that there wouldn't be some error with the program trying to find a non-existent nif for a texture (not sure that matters).

 

how do you read/open the crashdump .dmp file? I downloaded 'debugging tools for windows' but it won't open it. it's a LOOT.exe-15856.dmp file, with other .dmp files above it, if these are the proper files to look at. there are also logs in a log folder, but they seem to be related to instances of mo2. I've read other players saying that understanding the crashdump file is a feat unto itself. would be nice to see a clue as to what mod is causing the crash.

 

edit: found a site that analyses .dmp files, but, the files are from May, i just noticed. this crash happened 2 days ago. i must be looking at the wrong set of files

Edited June 13, 2018 by phillipjohnmc