Breton Thief Oriana Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 How many of you here learned how to use a computer at school? Was that computer a Mac? 'nough said. I ever claimed my school had good judgement? (I didn't, and they don't) Thats cause macs have a grant out there for schools to use if they are poor. They can go and get all free macintoshes. and only like 3. now, its like several more--but in iBOOKS! whats up with that? at least we got dells. maybe not the best, but are PC (Not politically correct). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramses niblik 3 Posted March 4, 2004 Author Share Posted March 4, 2004 i was wondering, is there a way to get this page printer frendly. ive got a friend who is a proud mac user and i ant to print this debate out for him never mind i manged to find the print button, duhhhhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Really REALLY OT: Ramses, that dopefish for your avatar is bringing back Captain Keen memories...(not to mention creeping me out)*sniffs Ah, those were the days. When all you needed was a stun lazer and football helmet. And a starship that had a Vacuum Cleaner for an engine. And the Galaxy was yours for the taking (yaharrr)...:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojlnir Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Keen lives! I downloaded it this evening and viola! I can play Commander Keen all over again...ahhh...so very nice... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramses niblik 3 Posted March 5, 2004 Author Share Posted March 5, 2004 Ramses, that dopefish for your avatar is bringing back Captain Keen memories...(not to mention creeping me out)*sniffs thanks, your the first one to coment on my dopefish. :D (for all you uneducated peoples go to www.dopefish.com) anyhoos, back to the debate- yet another bad thing about macs (this is possibly the worst of all) the mwsource forums dont work :ranting:, i tried to use them earlier. hey, this could possibly be why no mac users are replying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookiee Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 lol if you get into the electronics mac's are so much sweeter than pc's its the software that drags them into the mud pudle... blame capatolism :) but yeah if some one got off there keester and made some decent mac hardware drivers for windows the emulation would be nice :) (yess you can run windows on a mac) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hundinman Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Dudes, be chill... How many of you here learned how to use a computer at school? Was that computer a Mac? 'nough said. PS - Mac's still suck though....I knew how to use a PC before I learned on a stupid Mac. We had 'em all hooked up to a network and to talk to each other via puting documents on someones desktop took like 5 minutes without typing. No kids in my class could do anything except Germanman and I. All we did was hack into grades and stuff. We locked our computers so our teacher could not see what we were up to and a lifetime-macsucking-computer-genious-old-fart could turn the lock off. Macs suck. My story really does not do any good in this debate but hey, I am bored as crap. (How bored is crap?) Well, Macs have like 3 games that aren't the good ones NORMAL people buy....I guess they don't have to be games that normal people buy because normal people don't have Macs. The whole system is crap! I use them at school and can't figure a God- Forsaken simple task. My 2 cents. HM I will let you all in on a secret. Germanman uses a Mac for MWSOURCE. It works bit the screen looks bad. He will be mad that I betrayed him, but a debate is a debate! And a double post is a double post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojlnir Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 At the risk of appearing old and uncool (wait...) I was aiming my comment at those of us who went to grade school in the 80's and early 90's. Back when the Mac was all there was in school, and not everyone had a PC at home. Count yourself lucky Hundinman, that you were born in an age when Pc's were the norm and they were getting cheap enough so that everyone could get one. If you want, I can tell stories about how I had to walk uphill both ways to school in 4 feet of snow without boots... Right after my nap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandorssen Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 "There won't be anything we won't say to people to try and convince them that our way is the way to go." - William H. Hates III You have certainly raised the object of my ire. I own both a top-o-the-line WIntel system (I built myself) and a shiny new PowerMac G5. In terms of speed, the dual 2.0GHz G5 is again and again faster than the dual 3.06GHz Xeon system I have. The point of Macs being immune to viruses is both mistaken and moot. It is true that there are no viruses written specifically for OS Xbut it is yet young. The “classic” Mac OS did have some 7,000 or so viruses, but of those approximately 6,999 were macro viruses for Microsoft products running on a Mac (Word and Excel were notorious for macro viruses). As for the Mac coming with a single button mouse, Apple is a bit behind the times on that one, although there is nothing stopping you from using a Microsoft Intellimouse (5 buttons+scroll wheel) on any USB capable Mac. And you can use all of them on it too. :) From a hardware prospective, the Mac platform is infinitely more efficient at processing data than its Intel/AMD counterparts (BTW: This is how Apple was able to say that the G4 was twice as fast as its comparable Intel/AMD equivalent). The standard Pentium 4 processor has some 20 or more stages the data must go through before it is actually “processed”. Compare that to the Pentium 3 (some 16 stages) and the G4 (approx. 10 stages). In essence, Intel has taken the “inch-deep, but a mile-wide” approach, where as Apple (and the AIM consortium for PowerPC), and even AMD have taken strides to make the CPU much more efficient. Intel, on the other hand, has taken the opposite approach. They need to clock the Pentium4/Xeon much higher to obtain comparable results, because their processors are so inefficient. And fortunately for Intel, the unsuspecting public believes that more GHz actually means faster processor. Tom’s Hardware did a comparison between the 1.4GHz Pentium3 and the 1.4GHz Pentium4; at the same clock speed, the Pentium 3 was approximately 15-20% faster on nearly every operation. Now there are things that Intel has done to try to improve this (HyperThreading, larger lv. 2 cache), but these are at best marginal fixes. So, in terms of raw speed, the WIntel PC cannot compare to a Mac, save, perhaps those using the new AMD 64bit CPUs. From a software point of view, Apple’s almost fascist approach to interface guideline is both a blessing and a curse. OS X itself is built on the incredibly stable and secure BSD Unix “Darwin” kernel. Apple added some interface enhancements (Aqua, Carbon, and Cocoa), and called it OS X. As I said, Apple imposes strict regulations on the interface and underlying code of programs. This has the benefit of a consistent GUI look and feel, program stability, and program efficiency. The drawbacks are more obvious. All programs look the same. They all have to be programmed the same. They all are the same. OS X also has certain features that Windows users (granted) have had since the days of Windows 95/NT: Pre-emptive multi-tasking, protected memory (well not really Windows 95… or Windows 98… or Windows ME), and integrated web support (well not really Windows 95… or Windows NT). However, OS X and to a lesser extent the classic Mac OS have things Windows users have been envious of for just as long of a time: integrated multi-media support, overall stability, consistent interface, and true plug and play support (* the only real exception to this would be SCSI: at times the SCSI bus could give a man an ulcer :ranting: ). I used to work for a company that serviced both Apple and IBM/Dell/Gateway systems. Not surprisingly, we encountered the Apple systems less often than the WIntel systems. But it was severely disproportionate. With Apple making up 5% market share, we should have expected that about 5% (give or take) of the repairs we did would be on Apple systems. However, Apple repairs accounted for only about .5% of repairs! One-tenth of their market share! No wonder older Mac systems hold their value so well (you rarely, if ever, see a 7 year old PC sell for $200+ on ebay, but it is realistic for a Mac). Perhaps one last issue may be just the plain perception of each platform. There is something to be said for style and grace. Macs are generally perceived as the BMW of the computer world, and the $399.00 eMachines are the Kia of the same world. (With apologies to Jeff Adkins) When people see a Mac go by on the street, they say, "Hey, isn't that one of those new..." and the person with them says, "Yeah, they look great, but I wouldn't buy one unless I won the lottery." Apple also has a much more loyal user base than do WIntel makers. The issue of pricing is complecated. Most consumers will see the $399 eMachine and the $799 eMac and say the Mac is over priced. Put when taken point by point, the eMac will usually turn out to be the better value for the average user. I like and use both platforms. They both have their benefits and drawbacks. Niether (in its native form) is as versatile as Linux(which can run on a Mac), or as simply elegant as BeOS (which can run on a Mac), or as rock solid as NeXT Step(almost ran on a Mac...It is OS X's father), or as secure as AIX(which ran on a Mac; Apple Network Server 500 and 700, Apple Quadra 950 Network Server). I generally use the WIntel system for gaming, and the G5 for “serious business”. I just don’t like when people begin debates about “PC vs. Mac” (although debate can be healthy). It is just like trying to debate whether DeWalt hammer drill (Mac) is better at drilling wood than a Black and Decker 5 volt cordless(PC). In the end, they both get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmid Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 :mellow: :huh: :wacko: :blink: So does that mean PCs or Macs are better? Only joking. :P My own opinion is that Macs are good for serious business, but, mostly because of the fact almost no games are coded for the Mac, PCs are better for games. Of course, the Mac does have one major advantage - no Windows. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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