"Crash" save?

[wfandrews]

I crashed upon exiting a building and as I had made a quick save before entering the building I thought it was no big deal. However before restarting the game with my quicksave I checked my saves in Documents/My Games and saw I had systemsave.fos and systemsave.nvse which I had never seen before; and I have been playing this game for around seven years off and on. When I loaded the game, I load with a desktop nvse loader shortcut, I saw I had a save labeled "crash" as my last save, once again something I had never seen before.

 

As it turns out my quick save was corrupted so I had to start again with my last regular save, I only lost about 20 minutes of game play so it was not a real inconvenience.

 

The only thing that was different is that I had changed bHookLightCriticalSections to 0 in NVSR.ini and I have to attribute this crash save to that, though I do not believe the crash was caused by that change, could be wrong though.

 

Does anyone know why that change in NVSR.ini would cause this "crash" save and if the crash could have been caused by that change?

 

I am playing with the GOG version of the game if that makes a difference.

[dubiousintent]

Everything I've seen reported to date indicates that GOG makes no difference to the game and mods.

 

Please provide ALL the information requested in the wiki "How to ask for help" article. Don't forget to identify things that do not appear in the "load order", such as if it's been 4GB Patched, NVSE and it's related plugins, texture replacements (specifically their larger image sizes: 1024x1024, etc.), and "post-processors" like ENB or SweetFX.

* Please see the 'Fourth Rule: Reloading "save game" files ' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article. The most likely cause when exiting an interior cell is if you are using the built-in "save game" feature.

* If you are using the full 4GB of memory, most likely your CTD problem (now or in the future) is the default "heap size" is too small. It's so common you might as well deal with it now. Please see the 'Issue: CTD without warning, "Out of Memory error", or stops responding after the Main Menu') entry in the 'Solutions to "Crash To Desktop" (CTD) problems' section in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide.

* As for the NVSR.INI file, please see "Solution-3" in the 'Issue: CTD after 10-20 minutes of play (post-Win10 2017 FCU)' and 'Issue: CTD without warning, "Out of Memory error", or stops responding after the Main Menu' entries in the 'Solutions to "Crash To Desktop" (CTD) problems' section in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide.

 

-Dubious-

[wfandrews]

How do I put my load order in a spoiler. I was told that the GOG version of FNV did not need the 4gb mod as it is included in the game. The only saves I use are the manual save and quick save at times. I delete my quick save when I quit the game. I always launch the game by using "Load".

 

I do not have the Sheson Memory Patch recommended in the troubleshooting guide. Will install it and use the recommended Default Heap size and see what happens.

 

Before this crash, not a CTD, I had played many hours with no problem. Well that is not exactly true as I do get stutter, sometimes very bad, but I have a pcb and when I use that it goes away. However I will read more in the troubleshooting guide and see if I can solve that without using the pcb. I am pretty sure my stutter and at time game lags are caused by memory problems. When I use "purge cell buffers" they will cease for a while until I have to do it again.

 

If you could tell me how to put the info required in a spoiler I will try to do that. It will be a while tho. as I am going to download and install this memory patch and play the game for a while with it installed.

 

I seem to have veered from the original topic. What caused that systemsave file which I never had before.

[Majic7]

The Sheson Memory Patch is the major stability patch for me. I run YUP and UPP , New Vegas Stutter Remover, JIP LN NVSE Plugin, NVAC, but if I don't have the Sheson patch loaded I crash, freeze, whatever going through doors, entering or leaving a house for example. I can run the game for hours with these stability mods, as in never crash, freeze, at all. 4790K and GTX 1080, W10 Pro on a ssd. I only run 23 mods, OJO Bueno being one of them. Afraid to try POCO.

[wfandrews]

Running 63 mods on this play-through although one of them is New Vegas Enhanced Content, a mod I love and think is a lot of fun. I use NMCs Texture Pack For New Vegas one of my essential mods for any play-through. I usually run about eighty or so mods in FNV.

 

My game is usually very stable although with a tendency to lag at times. I just installed Sheson Memory Patch and my game does seem smoother. I also run the stability patches you do. I have played for around three hours since I changed bHookLightCriticalSections from 0 back to 1 with no crashes. I believe that was the cause of my crash as I had played for many hours before that with no crashes.

 

I still have no idea of the origin of the "systemsave" files I got.

 

I appreciate the replies I got, the only problem is none of them have addressed the question in my original post.

[Majic7]

I use that NVSR.ini tweak and it doesn't cause me to crash. I use all the ini tweaks for the mods I use and the Sheson tweak is the one that fixes my crash. This is irrelevant but I can't run FNVLODGEN

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

at all. Mountains around Goodsprings turn black or blue if I use it and the water tank disappears. You're results may vary is the mantra for FNV. Apparently editing posts in the FNV forums also.

[Majic7]

There is no one size fits all answer for FNV. It has always had more problems for me than any of the Fallout games. F4, 1200 hrs, never fewer than 100 mods, not one crash. F3, 95 mods, did everything except the DLC, but couldn't run any FOSE mods except for the stutter remover. Everytime I tried another FOSE mod bad things happened. Once I had it stable not one crash.

[dubiousintent]

Re: How to post your load order in "spoiler tags". See the last bullet point in the "Details" of the wiki "How to ask for help" article. It is also described in the "How to post a LOOT log" article under the "Specific Tools" section of that same article.

 

Re: your "systemsave" files. It doesn't matter where it came from. Any "crash files" are intended to help a developer to diagnose the cause of the crash; not to help restore your game. (I've never seen one among my 1100+ save files from 400 hours of play.) Your safest bet is always to go back to a previous "full save".

 

@Majic7: Open another thread and we can talk about your problems with FNVLODGen (and apparently NVSE; FOSE is for FO3). That is a separate tool (a renamed version of xEdit).

 

-Dubious-

[Majic7]

Hopefully the OP understands that I was just comparing the Fallout games. And the differing things I have ran into. I don't give a FF about lodgen. Doesn't work for me on FNV and that is all there is to it. Don't have a problem with it on any other Fallout game. And I just finished a five hour session without any breaks or problems. Somehow I have figured out FNV all by myself. The OP stated he didn't have the Sheson patch installed and I stated that it was final tweak that made my game completely stable. Simple enough. Whether it works for him is unknown. One other thing, disable all autosaves, just use manual saves.

[wfandrews]

Thank you dubious for your reply giving a link to where I can learn to post files in spoiler tags. I have been playing FNV for about seven years now and have no idea how many hours I have played it. When I played it on Steam I play offline the vast majority of the time and I have played the gog version ever since it came out; I would estimate I have well over a thousand hours in the game and this is the first time I have seen a systemsave file.

 

I guess I will never know the exact cause of this file but it is good to know it probably has no relation to the crash that generated it as far as causing the crash; evidently it was a result not a cause. That being the case I felt safe in deleting the files in the normal course of deleting my save files. I only keep the last ten or so save files and delete the rest.

 

Majic7 I do only use manual saves and once in a while a quick save which I delete upon exiting the game. I do understand about comparing games; pretty much goes along with my philosophy that the games we play, the mods we use, and how we play the games are all a matter of personal preference.