CTD at Cell with Finch Farm

[tomiisp]

Hi,

 

last days I have problem with CTD when I enter to cell (13,11) where is Finch Farm, not matter from what side I try to enter to this cell after 1-10sec I get CTD (include fasttravel to any location in this cell, it crash at end of loading). I try to check my mods and nothing helps, I also try to cleanup save file and also it not help.

But one thing, I do some experiments and I find one thing, if I turn off AI (tai) before entering to cell then I can walk over that cell without CTD and after I turn it on back I get inmediatelly CTD (inside that cell but also if I walk away from this cell, for example Slog).

Then seem it is somehow related to AI and maybe to checkpoint in this cell because few times before CTD I hear shooting or get "Help defend checkpoint" a then CTD...

 

Have anybody idea how to find source of this CTD? I try to some older saves but it do the same thing and also I dont want loose my actual profile (about 23days gameplay)

 

Thanks for any hint

 

/Tomi

 

[Deficom]

Do you have any cages on flinch farms?

I used the command tai, then removed all structures there, including cages, water, and power resources, now it's all working well.

[Deficom]

May i suggest you to post your load order as well, so we can help you find conflicts in it.

Edited September 6, 2018 by Deficom

[tomiisp]

I do not have anything in finch farm only few turrets and water pumps, this settlement is not "managed" now, I have plan redo it later.

I find workable save about 2 days (gameplay days) where I can enter to this cell without CTD but after few hours staying and doing some changes in Country Crossing I get again CTD when I go to this cell, I get CTD near satellite array if I walk from Country Crossing.

I have bad feeling it have something to do with that Minutemen checkpoint near Finch farm because before CTD I hear shooting from that checkpoint and then CTD and also if I go to that checkpoint I see "Default radio found" and few steps to any side "Default radio lost" and this radio signal seems appears only around this checkpoint, maybe some mod affecting this cell but as I know I not have any mod which have relation to this location.

Load order I try to optimize via LOOT, it not help with CTD but seems some mods (Better settlers) start to working and also I have very high fps (around 600fps) at loading screen, before LOOT optimize I have about 300-350fps at loading.

 

Here is list of mods, maybe someone find something problematic (few days ago I update to 1.10.106 and some mods and FSE was updated too)

 

 

Fallout4.esm=1
DLCRobot.esm=1
DLCworkshop01.esm=1
DLCCoast.esm=1
DLCworkshop02.esm=1
DLCworkshop03.esm=1
DLCNukaWorld.esm=1
DLCUltraHighResolution.esm=0
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1
ArmorKeywords.esm=1
EthreonMasterPlan.esp=1
JonsMod.esm=1
TortureDevices.esm=0
Devious Devices.esm=0
TrueStormsFO4.esm=1
Homemaker.esm=1
Snap'n Build.esm=1
HUDFramework.esm=1
AttackButton.esl=0
CBBE.esp=1
Jumpsuit.esp=1
SexyOutfit.esp=1
el_precursorsuit.esp=1
SluttyDresses.esp=1
HN66Fo4_EasyGirl_BS.esp=1
AA Lots More Settlers and Enemies.esp=1
Animated Beds Proof of Concept.esp=1
KSHairdos.esp=1
Settlement Aid Program EASY.esp=1
IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp=1
Prisoner Shackles.esp=1
Crimsomrider's Slavery Mod.esp=1
zWGirlClothSimply.esp=1
VIO_Strap-On.esp=1
DeadBodyCollision.esp=1
FO4_AnimationsByLeito.esp=1
TheNurse.esp=1
zWMaid.esp=1
TheSchoolM.esp=1
TheSchoolF.esp=1
TheSchoolG.esp=1
Zenna PantyHose.esp=1
Secretary.esp=1
Crazy_Animation_Rugs.esp=1
MiscHairstyle.esp=1
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp=1
Locksmith.esp=1
AA HotC - Standalone - SE.esp=1
TeddyBearBackPack.esp=1
GITS_suit_by_OniNigma.esp=1
Boats.esp=1
Sanctuary Hills Restored ULTIMATE.esp=1
Mayoral Shelter Pool.esp=1
VanillaExtensions.esp=1
Vault98.esp=1
Snappy_HouseK.esp=1
Snappy_DecoKit.esp=1
Sit Anywhere Re-Done.esp=1
Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp=1
Modern Firearms.esp=1
mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp=1
WestTekTacticalOptics.esp=1
AsharaFO4Steampunk.esp=1
Zipsuit.esp=1
SolarPower.esp=1
rpampas.esp=1
rfortaleza2.esp=1
Headcrab_Bunny.esp=1
CROSS_CharredVaultSuit.esp=1
YenneferDress.esp=1
xy - Jumpsuits.esp=1
DX_Overboss_Outfit.esp=1
TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp=1
RezSettlerMakeover.esp=1
Hot Mama Murphy.esp=1
Friffy_Fixed Curtains.esp=1
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1
LovingCait.esp=1
Northland Diggers New.esp=1
M4A1.esp=1
DX_Rogue_Prototype.esp=1
CraftableAnimationMarkers.esp=1
ArcadeMachine.esp=1
MYLadyKillerBed.esp=1
AS_CraftableInstituteStations.esp=1
VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp=1
BobbleGirl.esp=1
Colored Workshop Lights.esp=1
Craftable Cats.esp=1
Search and Destroy.esp=1
SkipHSH1_6.esp=1
Skip DIMA memories.esp=1
AutoDoors.esp=1
Extended weapon mods.esp=1
m82a.esp=1
TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp=1
RAO - True Storms patch.esp=1
Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp=1
Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp=1
CleanSettlement Homemaker Greenhouses.esp=1
CleanSettlement Greenhouse.esp=1
SettleObjExpandPack.esp=1
SettleObjExpandPack-AutoDoorsPatch.esp=1
SettleObjExpandPack-LightShadowDisabler.esp=1
SnapBeds.esp=1
SuitDreams(3.Average).esp=0
SuitDreams(5.Very Heavy).esp=1
SuitDreams(4.Heavy).esp=0
SuitDreams(1.Very Light).esp=0
SuitDreams(2. Light).esp=0
JaL.esp=1
tschutschiSpearheadCatsuit.esp=1
ChainBikini.esp=1
MirandaOutfit.esp=1
AsharaFO4Cyborg.esp=1
Armorsmith Extended.esp=1
Lazmans_highheels_outfits.esp=1
DA Bondage Rope.esp=1
DA Genie Outfit.esp=1
CompetitionSwimsuit.esp=1
slootyVaultSuit.esp=1
Eli_Steampunk Gunslinger.esp=1
GNAN.esp=1
HAIA With Crafting.esp=1
Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp=1
The Deadly Commonwealth Expansion.esp=1
RugerAC556.esp=1
SCAR-L.esp=1
ModularKalash.esp=1
SanctuaryHotSpringHome.esp=1
VertibirdOverhaulHackAndMark.esp=1
BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp=1
MCM_CS1_Raven.esp=1
KerriganGlasses.esp=1
Kerrigan.esp=1
KerriganColorChange.esp=1
DA Lingerie Set black.esp=1
AkaMoveYourWorkbench.esp=1
RU556.esp=1
ReconPack.esp=1
AA FusionCityRising.esp=1
TrueGrass.esp=1
Wasteland Sniper Pack.esp=1
MGSV_TheBoss.esp=1
KarnaRuggedOutfits.esp=1
Colored Highlights CC.esp=1
CambridgeApartments.esp=1
Skyship Welder.esp=1
Cyber-Light Apartments.esp=1
RRTV_GoodneighborCondo.esp=1
sassybabe.esp=1
CambridgeHome.esp=1
randompanserfollower.esp=1
More Pre-War Assets.esp=1
MoreVaultRooms.esp=1
Wasteland Water Revival - Zen Master.esp=1
TEEParty.esp=1
NukaRadBans.esp=1
TheKite_VTS.esp=1
Ak5C.esp=1
F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp=1
mk14.esp=1
SubmersiblePowerArmorRedux.esp=1
ClassicSniper.esp=1
AzarHolsteredWeapons.esp=1
DPAssaultCarbine.esp=1
MODFullBodySuit.esp=1
CompVex.esp=1
HarleyQuinn.esp=1
ZellaHairDye.esp=1
CBJ-MS PDW.esp=1
AkaWaterWorld.esp=1
llamaCompanionHeather.esp=1
HZS NavMesh Fixer.esp=1
ModularVault.esp=1
BasementLiving.esp=1
CompVictoria.esp=1
SSEX.esp=1
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp=1
LovingPiper_LCC.esp=1
MoritasBattleRifle.esp=1
Sydney the Companion.esp=1
Leyla the Companion.esp=1
AdnamaOutfit_ALLinONE.esp=1
M29Devil.esp=1
CompanionEppie.esp=1
AUG-A1.esp=1
Companion_BloodRose.esp=1
Skibs-WH77Redux.esp=1
DOOMDesertEagle.esp=1
P220.esp=1
ASVektor.esp=1
DX_Harley_Quinn_Outfit.esp=1
DOOMGlock.esp=1
DOOMLK05.esp=1
DOOM1911.esp=1
M2216.esp=1
MP412.esp=1
M9A1.esp=1
AN94.esp=1
G3.esp=1
Modern Sidearms.esp=1
FO4Hotkeys.esp=1
Hellfirenew.esp=1
K-Girl outfits.esp=1
MertaAssassinArmorFO4-CBBE.esp=1
NovaCatsuit.esp=1
TschutschiWardrobe_AllinOne_AWKCR.esp=1
HN66-SiriusArmor.esp=1
tschutschiWardrobe2.esp=1
FrenchMaidFO4-CBBE.esp=1
Motoko Hair.esp=1
PoseIt.esp=1
Shino Poses.esp=1
CompanionWhistle.esp=1
Sun'sHepsyHair.esp=1
ThickRimGlasses.esp=1
ThickRimGlassesAE.esp=1
P90.esp=1
P90NPC.esp=1
ExtendedHairColors.esp=1
NovaCatsuit2.esp=1
OutfitSwitcher.esp=1
Headcrab_Catwoman.esp=1
PiperOutfit.esp=1
TERABusinessCasual.esp=1
McMillanCS5.esp=1
Vivid Fallout - All in One - 2k.esp=1
Dickys Pinup Outfit.esp=1
CREAtiveGardens.esp=1
NiTeNull - Shade Girl Leather Outfits.esp=1
SettlementMenuManager.esp=1
DarkerNights.esp=1
LooksMenu.esp=1
512StandaloneHairColors.esp=1
Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp=1
BetterSettlers.esp=1
BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp=1
BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp=1
BetterSettlersMostlyFemale.esp=1

 

[Deficom]

I'm having the exact same problem, it isn't finch farm cell that is causing those crashes, it's another cell close to it, now the only mod we have in common is homemaker, scrap everything, and other weapons mod.

[tomiisp]

Its strange problem because it works and then without any significant changes (except update) it produce CTD.

About that cell, I looking in CK and on that cell with Finch farm and cell borders and that cell borders exact match places where I get CTD if I enter to this cell (bunch of tires on road if I go from Slog, satellite array if I go from Country crossing and etc etc)

[Deficom]

So, I checked out conflict losers in fo4edit and found that Far Default Resolution (ESL) was overwriting those cells, I disable it and managed to get past finch farm, satellite array, and country crossing.

[Deficom]

Yep double checked it, did the same run again no crash. Btw I also removed Boston Fps Fix.

[tomiisp]

I didn't find any serious conflicts, in my case only Scrap everything, Deadly Commonwealth, Northern Springs and Unofficial patch change something in Finch farm area and near cells, disabling this mods doesn't help..

But I do one test, I load save (at Country crossing) from where I can walk to Finch farm without CTD, I arrive to Finch farm, then I do FT to Zimonja, then FT back to Country Crossing and again walk (no FT) to Finch farm and I get CTD shortly after National Guard Yard....

This is seriously odd...

[tomiisp]

Another test, working save (Country Crossing), walk to Finch farm, then walk back to Country Crossing, FT to somewhere, FT back to Country Crossing and walk to Finch Farm and... CTD

Test 2: Same save, walk to Finch farm and stay there without any interaction...after about 10minutes CTD...

Test 3: Same save, walk to Finch farm, sit there and wait 24h, after countdown ends, it show "Help Egret tours marina" and then CTD...

Edited September 6, 2018 by tomiisp