MacSuibhne Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) I mean, what's the incentive? That the Dominion has violated Imperial sovereignty? Well, doh...the Emperor hisownself ceded sovereignty by signing the White-Gold Concordat. That the Dominion has troops on Imperial soil? Whose fault is that? That the Dominion is killing and torturing Imperial citizens? That the Dominion has set up a shadow judiciary that denies Imperial citizens the right to a fair trial and an expectation of justice...under Imperial laws? That the Dominion has spies and agents roaming freely throughout the Empire? All these reasons are good and historically recognizable reasons for going to war against the Dominion, but if the Empire hasn't done so in the decades that have passed since the so-called peace treaty, it never will. What's the incentive? The Empire has no incentive to go to war against the Dominion...all the top bureaucrats and officials lead comfortable lives with the prospect of years more if no one upsets the apple cart. The common folk are getting used to having to worship in secret (or not at all) and living with the fear of the knock on the door in the middle of the night. Getting used to being arrested and tortured with no appeal to their own government possible. Another decade or so and it will just be "the way things are and they way they've always been." "Normal" life. And to that end, every Imperial apologist will tell you that the Empire is the best hope for...well, the Empire--which means the bureaucrats and officials. And a continuation of the status quo of the past twenty thirty years. And every Imperial advocate will tell you...with a straight face...that the Empire is just biding its time and gathering strength before they strike. Yeah, right. Like that's ever gonna happen. Go on...pull the other one. Edited June 9, 2012 by MacSuibhne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakwind Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I think you have it wrong...the Dominion will end up attacking the Empire is what I believe will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modder3434 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 1. did it ever occur to you that the empire hasn't been sitting on its ass for the past 30 years? Neither the empire or the dominion want another war, it would be to costly in life and on their respective treasuries. However the empire needs to to do something, the dominion know this and have probably watched the empire plan, recruit and train all this time. Around the time when the empire would be strong enough to challenge the Dominion (given the fact that one province claims independence and two are under Dominon control) would be around the time period of the game. Reading the dossier on ulfric reveals he is an unknowing agent for the dominion. By rebelling against the empire at this time has distracted the empire and diverted the attention of their troops and supplies, by requiring the empire to respond with militaty force and having a chunk of the current legion desert and take up arms with ulfric. this rebellion is pointless and idiotic because it doesn't do anything for the Thlamor it only affects the strength and unity of the empire, which frankly the empire can't afford since Hammerfell left and Valenwood and Elysewer are occupied. 2. as for the beuacrats and fat cats and the damned wall street people, they'll be replaced ( or executed for being collaboraters). and you say the people will get complacent with this police -like state? well some might get that way but most won't. you sir underestimate the power of the people. The Mob is the Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidus44 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Well.... considering the recent contract I just fulfilled and considering a few conversations in the game, my thought is the Emperor is not dead because he slurped his soup too loud at the dining table and was an embarrassment to the upper crust of Cyrodiil whilst entertaining the Thalmor at the palace. Considering who made the contract, I am also thinking this wasn't made on the spur of the moment or just because someone happened to be in town for the weekend and needed something to spend 20,000 septims on. I don't know but it seems someone may have just upset an apple cart. One would think there is probably a plan afoot by some fairly powerful people in Cyrodiil about changing the state of Tamriel and specifically Cyrodiil. And what would be the friction that may cause the fire? The only one I'm seeing is the Thalmor. Of course this is just all speculation on my part about on the state of affairs in Cyrodiil (the same as the OP has speculated his opinion), but I think mine is much more fun to imagine and consider. I just think TES6 would be a lot more fun with the Empire kicking Thalmor butt than following a bunch of bureaucrats adrift in the stagnation of life in Tamriel. As for the 30 years under an oppressive treaty, please look up the treaty of versailles and the limits put on a certain country and then think of how events in 1939 came about. If complacency and secretive plots can happen in real life, I am unsure why there is disbelief it couldn't happen in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacSuibhne Posted June 9, 2012 Author Share Posted June 9, 2012 Roman Empire, Holy Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, British Empire... an ebbing tide strands all boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidus44 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 But no tide stays out forever....and a rising tide raises all ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy8 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Why would the Empire go to war against the Dominion? I mean, what's the incentive? None, I think. None at all. On my playthroughs I've met a number of Thalmor speaking as straight as possible that the AD is preparing for a new war, and doesn't intend to lose it. Ulfric does not spell it, but Galmar is rather straight and tells something about crushing that Thalmor b******s right after establishing peace and order in Skyrim (don't remember his exact phrase, sorry). I've finished the Imperial side of the Civil War line only once, but I don't remember general Tullius telling something about the Empire's intentions to "crush that Thalmor". Though I remember well the dialogue that followed Ulfric's death.Rikke: "Talos bless your soul."Tullius: "What did you just say?"Rikke: "Nothing, sir!"Maybe I'm wrong in some words, I'm very sorry about it (I hate to quote incorrectly), but that "Talos-What-Nothing" I remember well. As well as my strong wish to kick that general hard saying something like: "By the Nine Divines, are you a Legion General or what? What are you afraid of? That I'll run to Thalmor right now to tell them about this little conversation? There's noone here except the three of us, and I don't think Rikke will do it either!" As for the Empire... Our world's history tells us that every empire eventually crumbles and dissolves. (Well, almost every empire, but that's a statement for another topic.) And I'd like to remind that the events of Skyrim take place in the Fourth Era. There was a strong and mighty Empire in the past (and I liked it!), but now... Roman Empire once was strong and mighty too. And what happened later? It seems to me that the Fourth Era will be a time of fall of the old Empires and rise of new Kingdoms. Sad :sad: (for me, at least), but that's what happening. Of course, I may be wrong. PS: And about Ulfric being a Thalmor agent... I don't really want to argue. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robanybody2000 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 4E 22 — The Thalmor seize control of Summerset Isle and rename it Alinor.4E 29 — The Aldmeri Dominion is recreated after Alinor and Valenwood proclaim a union, and all contact is severed with the Empire.4E 115 — The Elsweyr Confederacy becomes the two kingdoms of Anequina and Pelletine, which the Aldmeri Dominion accepts as client states. 4E 168 — Emperor Titus Mede II ascends to the throne. The Empire is now a shadow of its former glory. Valenwood and Elsweyr had been ceded to the Thalmor, Black Marsh had been lost to Imperial rule since the Oblivion Crisis, Morrowind had yet to fully recover from the eruption of Red Mountain, and Hammerfell was plagued by infighting between the Crown and Forebear factions. Only High Rock, Cyrodiil, and Skyrim remained prosperous and peaceful. After that started the great war in 4E 171 (I think you could say it was 3 on 3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stemin Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 You guys really want to continue the argument with this guy in a third thread? I put him on my ignore list a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) ....As for the 30 years under an oppressive treaty, please look up the treaty of versailles and the limits put on a certain country and then think of how events in 1939 came about. If complacency and secretive plots can happen in real life, I am unsure why there is disbelief it couldn't happen in a game. Do you really think the Thalmor would turn a blind eye to Imperial buildup like the allied powers did after the Versailles treaty? They show absolutely no evidence of that at all - not even close. The Allied powers went into their happy shell, quite content to never have another war until one was thrust upon them. Only reason they didn't wait even longer was there was a global economic crisis of the kind that usually only wars get nations out of. Sounds EXACTLY like the behavior we see out of the Empire. Edited June 9, 2012 by fraquar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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