Learning Word of Power causes save corruption

[drach]

Hi all,

 

I've came across weirdest bug I've encountered yet, as title says whenever my character learns word of power it's done, every save after is corrupted,

funniest thing, not until I quit skyrim se, I can play for hours save, die, load and it's ok

since I play with LAL and ignore mainquest it took me literally months to pinpoint the culprits - word walls - no matter which one, I have perfectly working game no crashes/glitches, and if I save right after learning my first word, I quit game and save CTDs on load in matter of 2-3 seconds

 

anyone has any suggestions? afaik none of mods I use even remotely touches words/walls/whatever

 

here's the modlist with load order

 

 

 

GameMode=SkyrimSE

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1

Campfire.esm=1

MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm=1

FISS.esp=1

LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm=1

AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl=1

Dawnguard Map Markers.esp=1

___SNOW_FIX.esp=1

Incognito.esp=1

SkyUI_SE.esp=1

CampfireFix.esp=1

Solstheim Music in Skyrim.esp=1

FNIS.esp=1

RaceMenu.esp=1

XPMSE.esp=1

Dragon Stalking Fix.esp=1

Race Scale Remover.esp=1

Player Size Adjuster.esp=1

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1

GrahlsOnSolstheim.esp=1

BloodHorkers.esp=1

WendigoAndHowler.esp=1

True Orcs.esp=1

Natureborn Body Paints.esp=1

Fixed body collision.esp=1

J42_ArmorRatingRedux.esp=1

TissHeadTrack.esp=1

Run For Your Lives.esp=1

FastTravelSpeedMultiplier.esp=1

AMatterOfTime.esp=1

Bald Head.esp=1

UndeadNoGlow.esp=1

WergildDepreciation.esp=1

SkyHUD.esp=1

beltfastenedquivers.esp=1

Ecotone Dual Sheath.esp=1

attack commitment.esp=1

Zombie Idle Voice Remover.esp=1

More Map Markers.esp=1

AHZmoreHUD.esp=1

Spells Emit Light - Dim.esp=1

AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp=1

Ash Pile Expiration.esp=1

Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp=1

Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp=1

SMIM-SE-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp=1

SMIM-SE-SolitudeDocksFixes.esp=1

SMIM-SE-ShackRoofFixes.esp=1

SMIM-SE-ShackRoofFixesDragonborn.esp=1

SMIM-SE-RiftenDocksRopesObjectFix.esp=1

SMIM-SE-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp=1

SMIM-SE-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp=1

SMIM-SE-DragonbornTernFix.esp=1

MajesticMountains.esp=1

MajesticMountains_Moss.esp=1

EmbersHD.esp=1

EmbersHD - RLO Patch.esp=1

Better Dynamic Snow.esp=1

BDS Missing Patch.esp=1

Snowy AF Windhelm.esp=1

Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp=1

Better Dynamic Snow - NSUTR Patch.esp=1

SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp=1

BDS - MM Patch.esp=1

Improved Shadowmarks.esp=1

icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp=1

Campfire BDS Patch.esp=1

Ashbound.esp=1

Better Dynamic Ash.esp=1

Skysan_Icicle.esp=1

Skysan_Stalhrim.esp=1

NotSoFast-MageGuild.esp=1

Dolmen Ruins.esp=1

SolstheimLighthouse.esp=1

Solitude Docks.esp=1

Shurrashi's Den.esp=1

RefugeSkogvaktare.esp=1

WhiteElkShelter.esp=1

RiftTreehouse.esp=1

Summerset Cabin10.esp=1

RiversideShack.esp=1

d_RiftenSmith.esp=1

aaaGraniteHill.esp=1

Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1

Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp=1

Reading Is Good BCSLL.esp=1

SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp=1

Character Creation Overhaul.esp=1

CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp=1

VioLens SE.esp=1

Heart Breaker SE.esp=1

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp=1

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp=1

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp=1

Ars Metallica.esp=1

Scarcity SE - Less Loot Mod.esp=1

Scarcity SE - 6x Loot Rarity.esp=1

Scarcity SE - 4x Merchant Item Rarity.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1

BetterShapedWeaponsLW-XB.esp=1

skyforgedWeapons.esp=1

Red Eagle's Swords replace & craft.esp=1

AlexScorpion's SnakeBow.esp=1

1nivWICCloaks.esp=1

KynesWarriorArmor.esp=1

WarmongerArmory_SSE.esp=1

Improved Dragon Priest Masks.esp=1

Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp=1

SkaalKidCoat.esp=1

Sleeved Imperials.esp=1

SuperSleeves.esp=1

WarmongerArmory_SSE IDPM patch.esp=1

Classic Morag Tong armor.esp=1

Volkihar Knight.esp=1

mihaildruidbackpack.esp=1

DrSMeadKegPack.esp=1

helmetwithcirclet.esp=1

ABT SE - Faster Arrows Improved.esp=1

ABT SE - Faster Bolts Improved.esp=1

ABT SE - Renamed Bolts.esp=1

ABT SE - Progressive Damage.esp=1

StayArrowStayV1.0B.esp=1

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp=1

NARC SE for SkyTEST.esp=1

The Ultimate Ghost Appearance Enhancement.esp=1

Improved Traps.esp=1

ELFX - Exteriors.esp=0

Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp=1

Skytest Immersive Creatures.esp=1

NARC SE patch - SIC.esp=1

Realistic AI Detection 2 SE - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp=1

Tentapalooza.esp=1

DTNecromancerCamp.esp=1

JMR Camp Storage - Requires Campfire.esp=1

Footprints.esp=1

SPERG-SSE.esp=1

SPERG_USSEPPatch.esp=1

UndeadFX.esp=1

Undeath.esp=1

PathOfSorcery.esp=1

Undeath PoS Patch.esp=1

WardsFunctionalitiesExtended.esp=1

DustAdept.esp=1

ReachMage.esp=1

Hunterborn.esp=1

Hunterborn - Leather Tanning.esp=1

Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp=1

iNeed.esp=1

iNeed - Extended.esp=1

Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp=1

Hunterborn_CACO-SE_Patch.esp=1

CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreaturesSE_Patch.esp=1

CACO_USSEP_Patch.esp=1

CACO_Improved Fire Salts Frost Salts and Glow Dust Patch.esp=1

Improved Fire Salts Frost Salts And Glow Dust.esp=1

HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp=1

SpriggansDropWood.esp=1

Sanies Lupinus.esp=1

Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp=1

MoonlightTalesMCM.esp=1

DiverseWerewolvesCollection.esp=1

MoreWerewolves.esp=1

Dawnguard Sentries SE.esp=1

Better Vampires.esp=1

Better Vampire NPCs.esp=1

Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp=1

Visible Favorited Gear.esp=1

WetandCold.esp=1

WetandCold - Fur Hoods Fix.esp=1

TrueStormsSE.esp=1

Obsidian Weathers.esp=1

Obsidian_TS_Patch_Spectral.esp=1

Obsidian_TS_Patch_Spectral_WaterFix.esp=1

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - True Storms Patch.esp=1

Obsidian_TS_AOS_Patch.esp=1

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1

JBMod.esp=1

Obsidian_TS_Wet&Cold_Patch.esp=1

DarkerNights.esp=1

Frostfall.esp=1

Frostfall_Seasonal_Temps_patch.esp=1

EremiteCamping.esp=1

No More Ugly Effects SE.esp=1

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1

Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp=1

Alternate Start - ELFX Patch.esp=1

Starting Spell Choice.esp=1

RaceMenuPlugin.esp=0

Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp=1

DBM_ImmersiveCreatures_Patch.esp=1

DBM_Undeath_Patch.esp=1

DBM_Apophysis_Patch.esp=1

DBM_SkyTEST_Patch.esp=1

DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp=1

DBM_ArsMetallica_Patch.esp=1

DBM_IA_Patch.esp=1

DBM_ReachMage_Patch.esp=1

DBM_iNeed_Patch.esp=1

DBM_CACO_Patch.esp=1

JBMod - ELFX3 Patch.esp=1

DBM_AOS_Patch.esp=1

WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp=1

d_Races.esp=1

d_Scaracity_MergedPatch.esp=1

d_CampingMerged.esp=1

d_WeatherMerged.esp=1

d_Misc.esp=1

d_ArmoryMerged.esp=1

d_Spells.esp=1

d_NPCs.esp=1

 

 

 

edit:

 

update:

checked following:

progressed through unbound/before the storm/bleakfalls barrow as normal and learned FUS from wall within tomb - same result

entered player.teachword 13E22 into console - same result

 

it apperas that having any word on character regardless the source breaks the game

 

anyone, anything?

Edited November 9, 2018 by drach

[Daermonster]

Probably something with SPERG would be my guess. I am a fan of enai-rim setups I think they are far more stable.

[leonardo2]

Is that your loadorder? In case you didn't know, but the Dawnguard Map Marker mod must be loaded last in your loadorder otherwise it won't work properly.

 

What does the CampfireFix mod do and what is the SnowFix for?

 

LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm=1

Dawnguard Map Markers.esp=1

___SNOW_FIX.esp=1

CampfireFix.esp=1

 

Also, I wonder what the LegacyoftheDragonborn mod does. If that mod touches the dragon shout then perhaps that's causing the corrupt gamesaves.

 

Try to uninstall it and see what happens. Of course it isn't recommended to uninstall a mod, especially mods with scripts, in SSE due to Papyrus unless it's a mod without scripts.

 

Btw... Are you using Wrye Bash? If you do then where is the bashed patch as I don't see it.

[drach]

Is that your loadorder?

 

 

it is

 

 

 

 

In case you didn't know, but the Dawnguard Map Marker mod must be loaded last in your loadorder otherwise it won't work properly.

 

 

 

I wasn't aware it's a hard requirement, seems to work fine thou

 

 

 

What does the CampfireFix mod do and what is the SnowFix for?

 

 

CampfireFix fixes lightning bug on some campfires

SnowFix is obsolete, I should remove it, but forgot it's even there, cause other snowmod does that and more

it supposed to fix snow material bugs btw

 

 

 

Also, I wonder what the LegacyoftheDragonborn mod does.

 

 

 

it's a museum mod, quite recent install, had this issue prior its installation

 

 

Btw... Are you using Wrye Bash? If you do then where is the bashed patch as I don't see it.

 

 

nope, I make manual patches, all those d_(...).esp

Edited November 9, 2018 by drach

[whacked]

I know this is ancient at this point, but after days of searching this is the only issue that is exactly like what I am having.

 

Game is fine for 20+ levels without visiting a word wall (using LAL or Skyrim Unbound), crash on load after first word learned. I had the same issue of being able to play for hours after learning a word, quit game, all saves made after learning a word ctd on load.

 

So you probably figured it out or quit playing skyrim, (as I may do since I can't sort this out), but if you read this and you found a solution, I would be eternally grateful to learn it.

[nerad137]

I started having this problem when I upgraded to 1.6.1170 from 1.6.640 and wiped/reinstalled my mods.  I am examining the mods which your load order and mine have in common.  Hopefully that will generate some leads.

[nerad137]

Fixed it.

 

It was my load order patch.  Specifically the race records containing some data which the game was choking on.  I migrated the patch wholesale from 1.6.640 without rebuilding it (which I have to do manually) and that was a mistake.  Rebuilt the patch from current records and it works!

 

So rebuild your patches, kids.