CTD when saving - quick, manual, auto - tried player.kill trick already

[jthrongard]

Mod List:

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
BSAssets.esm
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
Unique Flowers & Plants.esm
SMSkyrim.esp
BSHeartland.esm
MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
arnima.esm
DBM_Bruma_Patch.esp
SkyMoMod.esm
BBLuxurySuite.esm
Falskaar.esm
DynDOLOD.esm
BS_DLC_patch.esp
CBBE.esl
CreatureFramework.esm
DBM_BeyondReach_Patch.esp
EFFCore.esm
FlowerGirls SE.esm
Gray Fox Cowl.esm
Immersive Wenches.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
3DNPC.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp
SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp
EmbersHD.esp
ImprovedHearthfireLighting.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
Hott Interesting NPCs.esp
3dnpc - Overhual.esp
Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp
CLARALUX SSE.esp
TheBawbsShire.esp
Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp
Blowing in the Wind - CLARALUX Patch SSE.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
GreatWarSkyrim.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
TrueStormsSE.esp
Obsidian Weathers.esp
Patch-merge-2.esp
S3DLandscapes NextGenerationForests.esp
Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp
Beasts of Tamriel.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
Eli_Breezehome.esp
LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp
OBIS SE.esp
Ambriel.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
PCE - ELFX PATCH.esp
smgraphics-merge.esp
AKSkyrimUnderground.esp
MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
Undeath.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
Music-Merge.esp
TKAA.esp
3DNPC TKAA Patch.esp
50 More Perk Points.esp
Immersive Music.esp
Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp
ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp
AzuraHouse.esp
Clockwork.esp
TheGemstoneProphecy.esp
Immersive Encounters.esp
Dwarfsphere.esp
CLARALUX SSE - ELFX DLC.esp
Diversity - An NPC Overhaul.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
High Level Enemies - SIC SE Edition.esp
zMirai.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Cloaks.esp
Inigo.esp
fallentreebridgesSSE.esp
DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp
ElderOutfit.esp
Followers-Merge.esp
Amara.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
MistySkye.esp
flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp
SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
DBM_AHO_Patch.esp
DBM_IW_Patch.esp
MoonAndStar_ImmersionPatch.esp
Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp
Vigilant.esp
DBM_MAS_Patch.esp
AuroraFollower.esp
Darkend.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
notice board.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
FlowerGirls SE - Adventures.esp
DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp
DBM_Undeath_Patch.esp
Lucien.esp
Hanali.esp
PCE - 3DNPC Patch.esp
PCE - USSEP+CRF Patch.esp
HaremVolume2Naked.esp
PCE - Legacy of the Dragonborn Patch.esp
amelia_rose_v3.esp
Animallica.esp
Animated Dragon WingsSE.esp
TERAArmorsSSE.esp
TeraArmorSSE Level List LOOT.esp
patch-merge-5.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
BBLS_SKSE64_Patch.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
DBM_NoticeBoard_Patch.esp
magic of the magna-ge.esp
BooksOfSkyrim.esp
Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp
Unicorn.esp
CollegeStudents.esp
Blowing in the Wind - Helgen Reborn Patch SSE.esp
Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp
CLARALUX SSE - USSEP.esp
IB - All-in-One.esp
GKFollowers.esp
LunariWarriors.esp
moonpath.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp
beauty-merge.esp
BellyachesNewDragonSpecies.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
Bellyaches&Diverse.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
Blaze Of Eventide.esp
BlendedRoads.esp
BooksOfSkyrim TKAA Patch.esp
BSHeartland TKAA Patch.esp
CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
CLARALUX SSE - Books of Skyrim.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
CRF-Apachii.esp
Cutting Room Floor TKAA Patch.esp
Daedric Chainmail - CBBE(SSE)Bodyslide.esp
RAO - ELFX Patch.esp
DajiaNingheimFollower.esp
DanarielStormbow.esp
DBM_ArsMetallica_Patch.esp
DBM_IA_Patch.esp
DBM_SkyrimUnderground_Patch.esp
DBM_ImmersiveCreatures_Patch.esp
DBM_Cloaks_Patch.esp
DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp
DBM_ZimsImmersiveArtifacts_Patch.esp
Deadly Wenches.esp
Deadly Wenches -Tera Armors Random-.esp
DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
DustEffectsSSE.esp
Easy lockpicking.esp
EBT - IC PATCH.esp
GKFollowers2.esp
EFFStandCosMenu.esp
EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp
Falskaar TKAA Patch.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp
IHRSvinhildeFollower_SSE.esp
ZoyaFollower.esp
FireBurns.esp
FlowerGirls SE - Bathing Beauties Patch.esp
FlowerGirls SE - IW Patch.esp
FlowerGirls SE - Maids II Deception.esp
FNIS.esp
FNIS_PCEA2.esp
FNISSexyMove.esp
Footprints.esp
ForgottenCity TKAA Patch.esp
FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp
GemstoneMaidensStandalone.esp
GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
Grass FPS Booster.esp
GreatWarSkyrimDGPatch.esp
HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp
HearthfireMultiKid TKAA Patch.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
Helgen Reborn TKAA Patch.esp
High Level Enemies - SIC SE Edition - Falskaar.esp
HOBJessica.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
iHUD.esp
Immersive Encounters TKAA Patch.esp
Immersive Wenches -Apachii hairs- Patch.esp
LABikiniSSE.esp
JS Armored Circlets SE.esp
Ktarria.esp
Kamille.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
LazyTools.esp
LightngDuringStorm.esp
LingerieSetCBBE3_2ByNausicaa.esp
LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp
Lucien-MoonandStar-Patch.esp
Lucien-Moonpath-Patch.esp
MajesticMountains.esp
MBWSFollowersReplacer.esp
Mirai Clothing Fixes.esp
MoonAndStar_MAS TKAA Patch.esp
Move it Dammit.esp
No NPC Greetings.esp
OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp
Obsidian Weathers for Vigilant.esp
PCE - Marked Droppable Barenziah Stones.esp
PCE-Apachii.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
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sandboxcylinderheight.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp
Serana.esp
SexLabMatchMaker.esp
SexyMannequinsFemale_SSE.esp
SexyMannequinsFemaleHF_SSE.esp
SMSkyrim - Meshes.esp
SoS_TrueStorms_Patch.esp
SoS_Obsidian_Patch.esp
SunDaytimeNorth_MM_default.esp
TeraArmorsSSE LOOT USSEP Patch.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
Tiwa44_SGMD_CBBE_Standalone.esp
Tiwa44_SGMD_CBBE_1_4.esp
Tiwa44_Minidresses_CBBE.esp
Tiwa44_Minidresses_Dragonborn_CBBE.esp
True Storms - Obsidian Weathers - Patch .esp
UIExtensions.esp
UltimateCombat.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
Valerica.esp
Vigilant Voiced.esp
VioLens SE.esp
widescreen_skyui_fix.esp
WondersofWeather.esp
Xanafollower.esp
XPMSE.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
Rigmor.esp
p4-1merge.esp
ETaC - Complete ELFX Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete Rigmor Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete Claralux Patch.esp
CLARALUX SSE - Immersive Cititzens.esp
CLARALUX SSE - Immersive College of Winterhold.esp
CWIELnFXSEPatch.esp
Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp
SOS_ImmersiveCitizens_Patch.esp
CWICRFSEPatch.esp
ETaC - TKAA Patch.esp
PCE - Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch.esp
Rigmor TKAA Patch.esp
SSE-Merged-Patch.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
Bijin_AIO-SV 2018.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
EFFDialogue.esp
RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
patch-merge-3.esp
Alternate Start LAL TKAA Patch.esp
CLARALUX SSE - LAL.esp
BBLS-ASLAL.esp
PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp
RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp
Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
CLARALUX SSE - Ordinator.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
SoS_ELFX+Enhancer_Patch.esp
PCE - ELFXEnhancer Patch.esp
Immersive Citizens - ELE patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
DynDOLOD.esp

 

The merges are just patches & followers (no BSA files) and were built LONG before this problem started.

 

 

I haven't changed this at all in the last 3 months - but just in the last 3 days started having ALOT of trouble with saving - in all forms. Manual still is the most consistantly working but it's all over the place with CTDs. It seems to have started about 3/4 through Dragonborn. I've tried cleaning my save with Resaver, plus the player.kill trick. Still not helping. Loading is fine, playing is fine - just saving. I know this is likely due to a script-heavy mod, but I don't know what that would be. I'm losing my mind here!

[wfandrews]

Could be running out of memory. That is a massive mod load and don't forget you saves get larger over time as there is more to save. I would check that out, only thing I can think of off hand.

[jthrongard]

Could be running out of memory. That is a massive mod load and don't forget you saves get larger over time as there is more to save. I would check that out, only thing I can think of off hand.

 

I ran Performance Monitor on a few of the crashes - memory never got close. I was at 6GB of VRAM at max, with 8GB on my card. RAM was at peak 8GB when I've got 32GB.

 

It should also be noted that my saves (when it works) are coming in consistently at about 20MB. However, it takes a while for it to save (maybe 20 seconds) and the crash is ALWAYS at the end of the process (say second 19 out of 20). Could it be the HDD?

[jthrongard]

Ok, so some possible updates if anyone cares to help or I can help - the issue is still occuring. I checked RAM usage (at about 5 GB of 32GB) and CPU % (about 20%) when saving and crashing.

 

I THINK I eliminated some of the percentage of crashing by doing a couple things

 

1. Eliminate as many leveled list mods as possible - I disabled Convenient Horses (*tear*), High Level Enemies SIC, Bellyaches & Diversive Dragons Leveled Lists (NOT Diversive Dragons standalone - although I read if you plan on running a heavy modded setup, don't add DD and DON'T disable it mid-playthrough. You might want to do this for any armor/clothing mods that have leveled lists too.

2. Then I went into Win Task Manager and Startup Processes tab and killed anything I don't need to run.

3. Then reboot

4. Close Chrome & Vortex (don't know if NMM or MO will help to be closed)

 

Basically I tried to rid myself of any "growing" scripts (the leveled lists) and then eliminated any resource drains as must as possible.

 

I then retested in an exterior location that wouldn't save before. Both manual and quicksave worked fine. So I felt pretty good right?

 

Well not quite - I then went into a modded area (specifically the expedition cave added by Legacy of the Dragonborn) and tried to manual save - borked. CTD as usual. SOOOO...I'm thinking I'm suffering 2 fold - too much garbage I don't need and some bug in a mod for new cells.

 

I'm going to dump a ton of money on hardware on Black Friday. Does anyone think a new CPU would help? I'm running an OC FX-6300 (which I know is old, but still 6 cores and OC to 4.1).

 

Thoughts?