new pc + fallout4 omg!

[ozmods]

so a few months back i bought fallout4 GOTY edition, and i thought oh my pc can handle this, but the amount of crashes and the amount of expletives that came out of my mouth, would curl ya grandmother's hair six ways to sunday lol..

 

so yesterday, i decided, enough.. i have just bought an ACER Orion Predator PC tower.. this one cost me 2 and half grand, and that's australian lol, not US.

it has

 

core I7,

16gb ram

nvidia GTX 1060

 

and is fully VR ready.. i've never bought a computer with so much grunt, fallout, runs great, apart from the occasional CTD, the previous sh box i had, would crash 10 times a day, and some times, hardly at all.. but it was enough for me to get rid of it, i promise you this, i will never buy a computer again from a computer store. i got this one through a department store.. and it was worth every cent.. i'm a big fan of ACER..

 

anyways just thought i would share how stoked i am right now about how great fallout looks and how much smoother it is, even with all the mods i have installed and the fact that i can roam the streets of boston without getting a complete freezeout.. oh and i'm running it @ ultra on a 32in.. looks awesome.

[Veloth60]

I just purchased a new computer with the help from the members here. The difference is truly amazing. Loving every minute of it.

[zanity]

Sadly new pre-build PCs from specialist shops and specialist PC oulets have the worst reputation (I've had relatives buy such and suffer terribly as well). Sadly if one cannot self build (which is by far the easiest and cheapest option), the best option is buying a GOOD second hand hi-spec ex-office PC and retrofitting a new GPU. The third best option is buying a brand with a good return/money back policy, and swallowing the insane price mark-up, and the tragic low specs for the money. But if you must buy pre-built, please please please consider second hand first- there are insane bargains with older Intel i7 CPUs that result from the fact that Intel has basically being sleeing the same quite decent 'core' CPU design for 9 generations now, and tax laws mean that companies like to get rid of their PCs after 4 years of use.

 

Specialist PC builders are so bad (more often than not) because they buy DUMPED b-grade stock and the worst PSUs, so their new builds have the greatest possible profit. They support their machines so poorly cos the components they use literally change month to month, so they never learn the likely faults of any given build.

 

The big brands vastly overcharge for dated tech, but they tend to build so many machines to the same spec, they know them inside out. And they have a bigger incentive to make reliable machines (in theory- witnessed an office full of Dell's all suffer the same early monitor faults).

 

Sadly so many innocent gamers (with every moral right) just want a PC that works, and works well on their chosen flavour of game. Sadly, because far too many do not get the experience they deserve- now even Microsoft forces Windows 10 updates every few months that break far too many systems.

 

There is nothing better for a PC gamer than finally getting an old/slow/unreliable machine replaced with a new fast reliable model. I get the joy of the OP. And Fallout 4 is much more fun when it runs smoothly anyway.

 

But here's the serious point. The age of the sane gaming PC is coming to an end. Next year, or just after, MS and Sony release consoles with insane specs- both will have at least 1080TI performance, with 24-32 GB of GDDR RAM. Both will have at least 8 core Zen 2 processors. The microsoft Xbox Two will be sold as a PC as well (though it will only run apps from the windows store- not the old win32 programs). This is why Microsoft has finally introduced keyboard and mouse support to its current console.

 

The PS5 and Xbox Two will be 'expensive'- but that is 500 dollars US- and what did the OPs very modestly specced gaming PC cost him?

 

I have NEVER gamed on a console. Most here are proud to be PC gamers. The OP loves his new PC gaming rig. But thanks to Microsoft, AMD and Nvidia, our time is ending. I don't know anyone who wants to afford a 1080TI, or the more expensive 2080 replacement from Nvidia. Neither AMD nor Nvidia intend to give PC gamers 1080TI performance in a discrete GPU at a sensible price- but the tech AMD no longer wishes to develop for PC gamers (at any level of sane cost), it is building for the new consoles from Sony and Microsoft. And these consoles cannot and willnot price above an affordable level- for they need the level of sales to make their software ecosystem work.

 

It is most unlikely Bethesda even intends for their distant Fallout 5 and Elder Scrolls next to have a PC release. The industry knows that once price controlled consoles are significantly more powerful than 95% of most 'gaming' PCs, the gaming PC no longer has a reason to exist.

 

Here's the thing. AMD's and the industry's HIGHEST TIER of GPU used to be around 250 pounds. Today AMD's 'new' 590 is a fourth or fifth tier card (4 or 5 tiers of GPUs faster than it- mostly from Nvidia) and yet costs 250. A fourth tier card used to be 50 pounds.

 

The OPs GPU is a 1060, slightly below the 590 (if its the 6GB model which for the price it darn well better be). This card sells for 250 pounds on average, yet is the SAME tier as the old 9600 from Nvidia that sold back in the day for 70. Discrete GPU price inflation has been insane, yet taking into account inflation, console hardware has NOT gone up.

 

The 1060 from Nvidia, 580 from AMD are a little worse than the GPU in the Xbox 1X, hidden by the fact that the poor CPUs currently used in consoles are thrashed by 4-core Intel i5s, and murdered by the new 6-8 core parts from AMD and Intel. As I said, the next consoles finally lose their CPU disadvantage.

 

Beth couldn't be bothered to hide the fact that the consoles were the TARGET platform for FO76, and the PC version of the game just a very lazy port. And that is when the gaming PC still runs FO76 way bettter than any console because of the aforementioned CPU issue. What do you think happens when the target console hardware is 8-core zen 2/ 1080TI class, and we PC gamers fianlly become the very poor relations?

 

Not one AAA dev will be sorry to say good bye to the PC, with its eternal issue of having an infinite number of possible hardware configurations.

 

I've been a PC gamer since the wonderful 486, and id's wolfenstein. I knew about the first 3DFX card >1 year before it went on sale and drooled in anticipation of owning it each day before release. Like the OP, my many many many PC upgrades tracked gaming performance (even before 3d cards, one improved the CPU and 2D cards just to get Doom and duke nukem to run better when there was a lot of sprite activity on the screen). I suffered in pain when big devs like EA refused to release the most advanced versions of their games on the PC (remember that period?) cos Nvidia REFUSED to support programmable shaders when AMD first introduced them.

 

Each time we fell behind, we caught back up with the consoles. But on the GPU side no longer, unless you think handing Nvidia > 1000+ dollars is acceptable. The specs of the new consoles (end of next year, beginning of next- maybe even as early as late summer 2019) will make anyone who recently spent major wonga on their gaming PC sick to their stomach. They get the very best economy of scale, and software sale subsidised hardware. We get what natural selection always delivers to 'dinosaurs'. It's been a good ride- enjoy it while it still lasts.

 

PS I get "we love PC gaming for mods"- that's why I'm here. But now even the most naive knows that Beth HATES the free third-party modding scene- has killed it entirely for FO76 and future games. All is not lost, since free modding is alive and well for many of the very intersting small indy titles like Factorio and Rimworld that exist thanks to steam. And the spirit of modding continues as many ex-modders mnake indy commercial titles. Non-AAA PC gaming has a bright future- games that run well on cheap low spec systems than in the future will all be APU based. But AAA open modding- that's a very dead duck for any new game (and no, the FO76 section here doesn't prove the opposite since Beth can, using well established legal precendent on FOUR continents, bring down the ban hammer at any moment if it thinks the 'cost' of very minor 'bad publicity' is worth it for a game with the most troubled AAA launch of recent history).