Qaerixxszhara Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 My GECK is suddenly not working. When I start it, the two initial windows come up and then it stops responding. At the bottom it says "Initializing FaceGen". It's as if it starts loading up and then freezes/crashes immediately and I have NO idea why. I tried a re-install but to no avail. Please help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubiousintent Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Without any idea as to what changed, I'm speculating that this is the result of a Windows system update. Did you install Steam (and thus the GECK) to it's default location? If so, please see the wiki "Installing Games on Windows Vista+" article for why the original default Steam behavior of installing games to the "C:\Program Files" folder tree was bad (they learned better, and don't do that any more); and why "disabling UAC and running as Administrator" is NOT sufficient, with instructions how to move it. This is the single most important thing you can do to fix and protect yourself against problems in the future. As much of a PITA as that is, it's never going to be any easier than now. System updates often cause issues with games installed to these folder trees. Please see the 'Restoring to "Vanilla"' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article as well. Otherwise, please see the 'GECK: Common Problems' section section of the wiki "Getting started creating mods using GECK" article.-Dubious- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaerixxszhara Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) Huh...and here I actually thought installing to the default directory was far LESS likely to cause issues >.< Why do updates cause random issues only to certain folder trees? That sounds like an absurd oversight Can't I just install the GECK itself seperately somewhere else? When I install it, it asks for a destination so I'm guessing it doesn't have to actually be inside the FNV folder? And if I do have to move the entire game, can I just uproot the entire folder and just move that somewhere, or do I actually have to re-install the entire thing and all of my mods all over? Edited November 27, 2018 by Qaerixxszhara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubiousintent Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 "Why do updates cause random issues only to certain folder trees?" - Because MS decided (mostly unnoticed with the release of Vista) to lock down everything under the "C:\Program Files" folder trees as "system protected" files once installed and only permit install programs run as Administrator to make any changes there, as an "anti-malware" measure. That broke a couple of decades worth of doctrine and practice for developers who suddenly discovered they couldn't even change an INI file located there. (It gets even more complicated, but that's enough.) System updates often reset some "security-related" settings (a HUGE catch-all phrase if there ever was one) to ensure they haven't been altered by malware. It took years for everyone to realize the underlying issue. AFAIK, GECK needs to be installed in the same folder as the game executables in order to find the Data folder. Never heard of anyone's experiment installing it elsewhere, so let us know the result if you conduct the experiment. (That it asks for the destination folder strongly suggests it doesn't use the registry to locate it.) You can install the "game(s)" to a different location than "Steam", but (last I knew) only to one location per drive. So you could install "Steam" to "C:\Steam" and the games to "D:\Games". See the link to official Steam instructions for moving a game folder in the "Installing Games on Windows Vista+" article, along with some supplemental information. (Basically you have to re-install in order for the registry information to get updated correctly.) -Dubious- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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