Game keeps crashing in Primm Houses or near them

[OLKv2]

Seems to be a texture issue but I have no idea what's causing it. Loot gives no errors and I can't find any error in FNVEdit either. Using MO2 if that helps. I've been through a lot with this stupid game and it felt like I almost got it running again, then this starts. I'm at my wit's end with this game. The Primm related mods are New Vegas uncut, New Bison Steve, and Primm's reputation restored

I have Vanilla UI Revelation installed as well with UIO, just in case that's somehow related

I'm on Windows 10 and tested this both with and without the Stutter Remover installed, crash happens regardless. Also tested with and without NVSE's Memory patch, crash still happens regardless.

Using the GoG version, 4GB Patch installed. Weapon Animation Replacers also installed

I have an error log from NVSE in case anyone wants that as well

 

 

Here's my load order

0 0 FalloutNV.esm

1 1 DeadMoney.esm

2 2 HonestHearts.esm

3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm

4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm

5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm

6 6 ClassicPack.esm

7 7 MercenaryPack.esm

8 8 TribalPack.esm

9 9 CaravanPack.esm

10 a YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm

11 b oHUD.esm

12 c SomeguySeries.esm

13 d AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm

14 e domecity.esm

15 f The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm

16 10 CCO - Follower Tweaks.esm

17 11 More Perks.esm

18 12 3DNPC_FNV.esm

19 13 Afterschool Special.esm

20 14 3DNPC_FNVGeneric.esm

21 15 3DNPC_BlueNote.esm

22 16 CCO - Classic Perks.esm

23 17 D.E.I.M.O.S..esm

24 18 CCO - Gameplay Changes.esm

25 19 SolidProject.esm

26 1a GRARG.esm

27 1b YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp

28 1c FalloutNV_lang.esp

29 1d The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

30 1e Simple Saves.esp

31 1f Qolore Gameplay Tweaks 2.esp

32 20 SimpleStreetLights (Extra Lights).esp

33 21 outsidebets.esp

34 22 LegionAIFix.esp

35 23 The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

36 24 LootMenu.esp

37 25 Universal Item Sorter.esp

38 26 JIP Companions Command & Control.esp

39 27 YukiMergedMods.esp

40 28 Qolore Gameplay Tweaks 1.esp

41 29 Mojave Raiders.esp

42 2a Mojave Wildlife (FO3-Style + No Chanced).esp

43 2b Wasteland Loot.esp

44 2c WeaponModsExpanded.esp

45 2d AWOP-LowNPCSWastelandOnly.esp

46 2e AWOPVeryLowRobots.esp

47 2f CCO - CP All DLC Patch.esp

48 30 CCO - Damage Resistance.esp

49 31 CCO - DR All DLC Patch.esp

50 32 CCO - Follower Weapon Auto-Repair.esp

51 33 CCO - FT All DLC Patch.esp

52 34 CCO - Perk Rebalance - Dead Money.esp

53 35 CCO - Perk Rebalance - Honest Hearts.esp

54 36 CCO - Perk Rebalance - Lonesome Road.esp

55 37 BLEEDNV.esp

56 38 WMX-DLCMerged.esp

57 39 Mojave Arsenal.esp

58 3a NewVegasUncut 123457 Merged.esp

59 3b Unofficial Patch Plus.esp

60 3c Unofficial Patch Plus - Addendum.esp

61 3d Friend of the Night Fix - YUP friendly and New Cateye.esp

62 3e NewVegasBounties.esp

63 3f NewVegasBountiesII.esp

64 40 TheInheritance.esp

65 41 CCO - Perk Rebalance - Old World Blues.esp

66 42 YUP + BLEED.esp

67 43 Threshold.esp

68 44 Mojave Raiders - 22LR Varmint Rifle.esp

69 45 JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp

70 46 YUP-WMX Patch.esp

71 47 AWOP-WMX.esp

72 48 TripTrap.esp

73 49 CombatEnhancer.esp

74 4a Follower Tweaks.esp

75 4b MigNammo.esp

76 4c Mark II suit default.esp

77 4d TLD_EnergyWeaponsForTheNCR_NoStatChanges.esp

78 4e outsidebets_meyersfix.esp

79 4f TMCOTT - Restored.esp

80 50 Casino Bypass.esp

81 51 fastervats.esp

82 52 ItemBrowser.esp

83 53 JIP MiniMap.esp

84 54 SignatureArmor.esp

85 55 Game Tweaks..esp

86 56 1nivVSLArmors.esp

87 57 Russell.esp

88 58 NewVegasBountiesIII.esp

89 59 Someguy Series Tweaks.esp

90 5a AmmoCraftingSchematics.esp

91 5b Machienzo Merged Mods.esp

92 5c Gameplay Mods Merged.esp

93 5d lexx_brahmin-betsy.esp

94 5e MTB.esp

95 5f AWOP - Russell.esp

96 60 Rewarding Exploring.esp

97 61 MainStoryAlterations.esp

98 62 UnfriendlierPersuasion.esp

99 63 AutumnLeaves.esp

100 64 YUP - AutumnLeaves Patch.esp

101 65 CCO - Companion Development.esp

102 66 CCO - Perk Rebalance.esp

103 67 Perk Rework.esp

104 68 Opportunist Armor.esp

105 69 Distributed Necklaces and Chains.esp

106 6a Karmic Balance.esp

107 6b ACS-DLCMerged.esp

108 6c 1nivPNSLPatch.esp

109 6d YUP-Spice of Life Patch.esp

110 6e Clarity - Dark Nights.esp

Edited December 3, 2018 by OLKv2

[dubiousintent]

I don't see CASM or any other alternative "save game" mod. Please see the paragraph about "auto-saves" under the 'Essentials for Getting Started' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article. If you have been using the built-in "auto-save" feature and you get the endless "roulette wheel" when loading a save game, then your current save game file is corrupted and you will have to either go back to a save before the corruption occurred (hard to tell) or start over.

 

You really need to use a "Merge Patch File" with that collection of mods. (I see you have a number "merged plugins", but they don't reconcile record conflicts between other mods, such as all the various "game play tweaks" you have installed.) Please see the 'Third Rule: The Rule of One' and 'Merge Patch File' sections of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article.

 

If you really think the problem is "texture" related, please see the wiki "Display resolution versus Image Size" article.

Finally, if the problem isn't resolve by the above, then it's probably a "mod conflict" between your multiple Primm mods. Please see the 'Mod Conflict Isolation' section of the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" article.

-Dubious-

[OLKv2]

I have Simple Saves installed, sorry, forgot to mention that since it isn't a plugin. I don't use any of the default auto saves and went through the help files

 

I also turned off all my gameplay tweaks plugins and the crash persisted at the same spot

 

I've been combing through the wiki looking for solutions for a few days too but I'll double check those sections to see if I missed something. This is beyond frustrating

[OLKv2]

This problem seems to be completely unrelated to the other mods and has something to do with Mod Organizer and Stutter Remover and Anti Crash. Started a fresh instance and had NVAC and NVSR installed with NVSE as the only mods enabled. Game crashed in the Primm House, then crashed on load when I loaded other saves. NVSR has the critical sections both turned off.

 

Restarted with both NVAC and NVSR off, game ran fine, loaded fine, entered the house fine.

 

Went back to my modded profile, game failed to launch when I started with NVAC off and all other mods on. It'd boot up, then CTD on the first load screen. Started up with NVSR off and NVAC on, the Primm House no longer crashed, I was able to explore it with no crash. But then the game crashed when I exited the game. Turned NVSR back on, disabled replace heap and enabled Critical Sections, and the game had a black screen mini freeze before working, then had mini freezes with every load instance but not complete freezes. And now I get this issue no matter if I have NVSR turned on or off.

 

So yeah, this seems to be MO related.

[dubiousintent]

Unfortunately I can't help with mod managers other than Wrye Bash/Flash, beyond the basics. The problem seems to fundamental to the way it uses "profiles" and not specific to FNV, so check for solutions in other game forums which have many MO users.

 

The author of NVSR has just posted his updated, stable tweaked version of it's configuration INI file. A couple of other similar configs have also become available as well. Please see the 'Issue: CTD without warning, "Out of Memory error", or stops responding after the Main Menu' entry of the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" article.

Your "mini-freezes" are basically "stutter". All visual stuttering problems are caused by the video stream having to wait for the "art assets" required to render the display OR the game writing something to disk (such as a save game file or logging). Mostly these are due to the hard disk drive being orders of magnitude slower than VRAM, with System RAM (e.g. "ENBoost") and "solid state drives" (SSDs) being in between. Keep in mind that this game was designed for older PC and XBox console systems, and it is now possible for your new "latest and greatest" gaming machine to be faster than it can handle. There are internal design choices that cannot be overcome. The "video pipeline" has always been prone to problems. The following are "mitigations" that have been found to help some people.

Please see the following entries under the 'Solutions to Performance problems' section in the wiki Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide if you haven't already.
* 'Issue: "Full screen mode" exhibits CTDs and stutters or micro-stutters'
* 'Issue: Lag or "micro stutters" even with "New Vegas Stutter Remover" installed'
* 'Issue: Win10 Screen tearing in "Borderless Windowed Mode"'
* 'Issue: CTD without warning, "Out of Memory error", or stops responding after the Main Menu' for other settings that can indirectly affect micro-stutter.
* There are also some NVSR configuration suggestions under the 'Issue: Game in slow motion' and entries.
* The 'Issue: What's with these Solid Green billboard signs in the distance (LOD)?' entry under the 'Solutions to Mesh (Red "!" icon) or Texture (solid color) problems' section can also help if your problems started after you installed VWD/LOD texture packages.
* If you are using CASM or some similar "auto-save" mod to manage your save game files (recommended), try increasing the "time between saves" set in the "save frequency"; and reducing the number of occasions it saves to the minimum (e.g. disable most "Autosave Events" in CASM) and see how that impacts the game seeming to freeze temporarily.
* If you have "NVSE logging" enabled (see the 'Checklist Item #4' entry in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide), disable it until actually needed.

Reading from or writing to disk for any reason is the slowest thing the game does.

The size of your image files also has an impact. Larger/higher resolution is not always "better". Please see the wiki "Display resolution versus Image Size" article.

The 'Issue: What INI edits seem to be most beneficial to performance' entry of the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide) may also be some help. However, the above mitigations are more likely to have a fundamental beneficial effect with or without any INI adjustments, so consider them as the last resort.

As you can see, there are a number of things that can underlie your problem. If one of these doesn't fix it, I would be interested to hear about any eventual solution that does.

-Dubious-

[axonis]

@OLKv2, Windows 10 is known to break NVSR's main anti-stuttering feature. I suggest that you read https://taleoftwowastelands.com/viewtopic.php?t=6050 which is one of the very few reliable sources on the subject.

[OLKv2]

Nothing fixes this game now. I had it running perfectly, then it just decided to die and now won't work properly even with new game saves. I'm just done, it broke me. Followed every single method, read through the entire trouble shooting wiki, tried absolutely every fix from multiple sources, the game just won't work anymore. The most frustrating thing is that I changed nothing at all from my previous settings which worked well enough to let me play an entire TTW playthrough and heavily modded NV playthrough, but hey, just wake up one morning and the game just doesn't run anymore

 

Screw this game. Thanks for the help everyone.

[dubiousintent]

Sorry to hear about your frustrations.

 

A sudden deterioration without any changes or something else fairly obvious as the cause suggests the problem is related to other than the game itself ... such as a system update, or failing hardware. If it's been a while, try cleaning out the dust and running a "chkdsk" on your hard drive. Run a MEMTEST program as well. If it is a hardware problem, you will probably find other games or apps behaving weirdly as well.

 

-Dubious-